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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog
    The arms race analogy doesn't hold up. If she shoots first, it doesn't matter if he's carrying a bazooka.
    True, but when you use guns as a detterence it is irrelevant who shoots first.
    And as I said before, is a ****** jumps a girl she won't have enough time to shoot him in the first place..
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  2. #42  
    While rape is not the only crime of concern, it especially highlights the potentially deterring effect of a gun. Rape is not about sex but about domination. It, especially pits a perpetrator against a perceived "weak" target.

    The knowledge that a concealed weapon is possible can cause a shift in that perception of weakness.

    While violent people are not necessarily rational in their behavior, they do assess risks at some level.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    the smurf spray is proactive and reactive, it helps identify the culprit and hence is a detterent for potential criminals.
    If jail or perhaps getting killed isnt a deterrent, what's some spray gonna do?
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    And as I said before, is a ****** jumps a girl she won't have enough time to shoot him in the first place..
    That's when she pulls her knife and stabs him.
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog
    The arms race analogy doesn't hold up. If she shoots first, it doesn't matter if he's carrying a bazooka.
    unless you miss
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  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    While rape is not the only crime of concern, it especially highlights the potentially deterring effect of a gun. Rape is not about sex but about domination. It, especially pits a perpetrator against a perceived "weak" target.

    The knowledge that a concealed weapon is possible can cause a shift in that perception of weakness.

    While violent people are not necessarily rational in their behavior, they do assess risks at some level.
    If they know they are going to get caught, the risk will be very high too.

    And if they want domination, there are very good S&M clubs out there if I have to believe the pulp TV..
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    If jail or perhaps getting killed isnt a deterrent, what's some spray gonna do?
    The spray helps identify and catch the perpetrator. you cannot wash it off for aweek or so, so when he goes out people in his neighbourhood can notify the police. Or when the police have a suspect and he is blue it will be very clear he did it..
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  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    If they know they are going to get caught, the risk will be very high too.

    And if they want domination, there are very good S&M clubs out there if I have to believe the pulp TV..
    I was speaking of domination in terms or "Power" or "Control"
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    I was speaking of domination in terms or "Power" or "Control"
    That is what S&M is all about (so I've been told, it is not really my thing..)
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  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    That is what S&M is all about (so I've been told, it is not really my thing..)
    Yes, but I believe in that case, it is consentual with both parties involved, unlike a rape.

    ...errr...uhhhh....so I have been told.
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  11.    #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    The spray helps identify and catch the perpetrator. you cannot wash it off for aweek or so, so when he goes out people in his neighbourhood can notify the police. Or when the police have a suspect and he is blue it will be very clear he did it..
    I'm still under the impression that you value the safety of an aggressor over the safety of law-abiding citizens. This is NOT a deterrant....if a person plans on raping someone in advance (or assaulting or whatever), then he can simply put on protective clothing that the smurfspray will get on and then take it off (ski mask with glasses for example). This is completely in the favor for the criminals. Take away the ability for people to protect themselves and then tell them, it's ok that he raped you...cause now we're going to find him. That's insane!
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I'm not saying it happens all the time, but scared people have a jaded sense of reality.. don't know the figures, but I bet you there are quite a few cases where the defense is temp. insanity..
    As for a gun being a deterent, sure it is, but allowing guns freely also gives the ****** easy access to a gun. And yes if a criminal really want to get a gun a ban isnt going to stop him, however a ban will make it a lot harder to get access to one.
    Also if the girl has a gun, the ****** can get it off her and use it against her.
    And what if the girl has a smal pistol and the ****** has a machinegun/shotgun. then how much of a deterrent is it then? see my point? you end up in an arms race.
    There is a good point in here about the weapon being turned onto the victim (which does happen). However, my position is that the person receives firearm training to get the CCW (which isnt given freely). A person's judgment does get distorted but as I have said before, hold me accountable for my actions. Personally, I have not had to use my gun to defend myself. I dont unnecessarily put myself into situations where there is a high degree of risk. However, I feel very confident and have thought through situations on what I would do if there was a home intruder or if I was being mugged by an armed/unarmed person. Getting training in the use of a weapon will give you that experience so you are more prepared in case of an incident so that you wont act as 'irrational' (I realize you are still dealing with a lot of stress.)

    As a side note, I encourage all my female friends to take martial arts classes (tae kwon do, akido, even rape assault classes where you turn car keys into a weapon of opportunity). Regardless, women and men are killed with other weapons just as consistantly as guns (2 wood, knives, cars, etc.)

    State and federal laws severly limit felons (someone actually convicted of a felon) from being able to legally get a firearm. However, most criminals get guns through theft. 99% of the felons who have guns did not buy them in a gun store (gun shows are another seperate issue). Banning guns will only affect rational, law-abiding citizens (thereby putting us more at risk of a potential attack) because criminals by nature DONT FOLLOW THE LAWS.

    Finally, even in your worst scenario "And what if the girl has a smal pistol and the ****** has a machinegun/shotgun. then how much of a deterrent is it then?". That small pistol is better than NOTHING. You wouldnt go into that situation UNARMED (and I consider you rational ), would you?.
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