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  1. #141  
    here is a wikipedia link describing these discussions. I'm surprised you guys do not remember this, as I can vaguely remember seeing this when I was young. It struck me when years later when I had heard of I heard of "global warming," just what happened to the cooling trend I remember when I was young.

    Had I known 30 years later I would have to retrace all of this, for your approval, I suppose I would've kept every piece of info on it for now.
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  2. #142  
    I know you guys have Google, the first thing that pops up if typing "Global Cooling is a reprint of a 1975 Newsweek article. click if you wish
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  3. #143  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    here is a wikipedia link describing these discussions.
    You didn't read what you have quoted, did you? Because if you would have read it you would have seen that the article not only largely dismisses the ideas of global cooling, but also says the whole idea was largely dismissed already in 1970...:

    "The 1970 "Study of Critical Environmental Problems" [6] (http://www.wmc.care4free.net/sci/iceage/scep-1970.html) reported the possibility of warming from increased carbon dioxide, but no concerns about cooling, setting a lower bound on the beginning of interest in "global cooling"."

    "As the NAS [US National Academy of Science] report and the article in Newsweek both indicate, the scientific knowledge regarding climate change was more uncertain then than it is today. At the time that Rasool and Schneider wrote their 1971 paper, climatologists had not yet recognized the significance of greenhouse gases other than water vapor and carbon dioxide, such as methane, nitrous oxide and chloroflourocarbons"
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  4. #144  
    If we assume that we know more now than we did thirty years ago, and I can agree that we do, what's not to say thirty years into the future, current opinions won't change?

    I am not saying we are suffereing global warming, NOR global cooling. I referenced talks i remember hearing about as a child. These were opinions of the time. I would say, if you had been around then (at your current age), you just might be on that bandwagon. Is that not a fair assessment to make? If so, (although I doubt you'll even consider the remote possibility that you may have agreed with those thoughts), is it not possible that future models will produce a different result than now?

    Tell me conclusively what will Earth be like thirty years from now. What will the average temperature be? Not what it may be, but what it WILL be. You can't. Just as what we may know now was not known then, what will be known in the future may be totally different than today.

    Really, your condescending attitude becomes annoying after awhile.
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  5. #145  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    millions of people could be left without adequate water during the summer due to accelerated melting of glaciers.
    uh doesnt melting ice result in more water?
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  6. #146  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    uh doesnt melting ice result in more water?
    It does, I guess what they mean to say is, that they are going to melt away alltogether.. but it is aconfusing statement indeed.
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  7. #147  
    I read somewhere once that the amount of water on this planet is pretty much finite. It just gets moved around in its different forms to different locations. The amount never really changes though. Wish I could remember were I read it.

    Point is those glaciers melt and the water is absorbed into the ground or evaporated into the air and deposited somewhere else as ran or snow. It's not really lost.
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  8. #148  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    uh doesnt melting ice result in more water?
    Once the glacier has melted, it is gone and does not hold back water in the form of ice any more. Before, the water was stored as ice and then transformed into liquid water during summer.
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  9. #149  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I read somewhere once that the amount of water on this planet is pretty much finite. It just gets moved around in its different forms to different locations. The amount never really changes though. Wish I could remember were I read it.

    Point is those glaciers melt and the water is absorbed into the ground or evaporated into the air and deposited somewhere else as ran or snow. It's not really lost.
    True, only whatever we shoot into space is truely lost.
    HOWEVER, the problem isnt that it isnt there, the problem is getting access to clean drinking water.
    We can always desaltify sea water, but that cost heaps of energy.
    If it goes in the ground we need to pump it out and clean it up, which could have all kinds of technical difficulties..
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  10. #150  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    True, only whatever we shoot into space is truely lost.
    HOWEVER, the problem isnt that it isnt there, the problem is getting access to clean drinking water.
    We can always desaltify sea water, but that cost heaps of energy.
    If it goes in the ground we need to pump it out and clean it up, which could have all kinds of technical difficulties..
    So youre saying we dont do that now? Cmon, no one just holds their cup up to a dripping glacier for their water supply.
    All those things we do now. Ever heard of a well?
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  11. #151  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    If we assume that we know more now than we did thirty years ago, and I can agree that we do, what's not to say thirty years into the future, current opinions won't change?
    As shown in the article you quoted, the whole idea of global cooling was dismissed by mainstream science as early as 1970. Even before that, it was never even close to being as widely discussed, and let alone studied, as global warming is today. You are trying to use this short-lived, minor scientific anecdote as an excuse for ignoring well-established, present-day results. Personally, I don't think that's a useful way of dealing with a risk of the dimension of global warming.

    It's like saying, "earlier, doctors used to say it was not possible to drive 30 mph without severe health effects. So if they now say it isn't possible to survive 20g, why should I believe them?"
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  12. #152  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    So youre saying we dont do that now? Cmon, no one just holds their cup up to a dripping glacier for their water supply.
    All those things we do now. Ever heard of a well?
    They are not holding a cup to a glacier, however they do get water from glacier and rain sourced rivers. If it starts to rain less (like what is happing in Australia) and if the glaciers are gone, you have a problem.

    Wells work great if there is a water supply not to deep. but if there isn't you still have a problem.

    I'm not saying it is impossible, just that it will be a lot harder to get to..
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  13. #153  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Ever heard of a well?
    Sure:

    "Many of the world's most important grainlands are consuming groundwater at unsustainable rates. Collectively, annual water depletion in India, China, the United States, North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula adds up to a hefty 160 billion m³ a year - an amount equal to the total annual flow of two Nile Rivers. "
    (Source)

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  14. #154  
    "really, your condescending attitude becomes annoying after awhile."

    A - MEN! insertion, you have just touched upon the essence of clulup. it is sad that this is the style of delivery that he chooses to use, but it appears there is no other alternative for him.
  15.    #155  
    Mr. Google,

    The majority of links you provide have an incredible liberal bias. Many scientists rely on funds. Funds are gathered through scare tactics, i.e. global warming and the sky is falling.

    I checked the sources for your most recent google search and found it to be the UN and peopleandplanet.com. The link I provided shows one of the many articles depicting Bush as a monster. This from your "impeccable source".

    Nice try googling for every response. Just because you and your scientist lackeys throw out sh!t, it don't stick with me. Must be nice not having a mind of your own Mr. Google.

    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Sure:

    "Many of the world's most important grainlands are consuming groundwater at unsustainable rates. Collectively, annual water depletion in India, China, the United States, North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula adds up to a hefty 160 billion m³ a year - an amount equal to the total annual flow of two Nile Rivers. "
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  16. #156  
    advance, this is typical for clulup.
  17.    #157  
    His ancestors probably fought tooth and nail for the world being flat.

    He'll probably Google a search and provide some links offering "proof".

    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    advance, this is typical for clulup.
  18. #158  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    His ancestors probably fought tooth and nail for the world being flat.
    Funny I had the idea that would have been your (ancestors) position...


    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    He'll probably Google a search and provide some links offering "proof".
    Its better, than just making blank statements or personal attacks..

    But this discussion is going nowhere, I'm stepping out as a participant.
    As a mod I'll keep an eye on it to see if people behave, but that is about it.. no point in wasting time responding.
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  19. #159  
    My, my, my... isn't that a bit too obvious? You don't like the facts I present, but you don't have any reasonable sources or arguments to show I am wrong, so you start personal attacks?

    And, regarding my last quote about more groundwater being used than refilled: You don't really believe that isn't true just because it was written on a UN page, do you? If you think it's wrong, please, tell me how you know it isn't so, I am curious once more...

    Oh, Insertion, one more thing - I guess you were right, after re-reading one of my last posts I realized it really sounded a bit condescending. Sorry about that!
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  20. #160  
    Reading this thread I came a cross something I found rather funny. I am going to paraphrase some opinions here so....

    Those that feel that global warming exists, say that the "facts" show they are right. They also seem to say, why not just behave as though it were true, because if we do and it turns out global warming does exist then we will all be better off because we chose to believe the scientists and do what we can to protect the earth and ourselves. That's it in a nutshell I think.

    Now lets substitute a few words.

    Those that feel that God or a supreme being exists, say that the "facts" show they are right. They also seem to say, why not just behave as though it were true, because if we do and it turns out God or a supreme being does exist then we will all be better off because we chose to believe the religious and do what we can to protect the earth and ourselves. That's it in a nutshell I think.

    Kinda funny, to me at least. Also of note, that they seem to be mostly opposing viewpoints.

    Those that strongly believe in the global warming thing are really no different than those that believe the religion thing. Both place their belief in faith. Faith that the scientists are correct in the theories and faith that God does exist.

    The similiarity just struck me as funny.
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