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  1.    #121  
    Quote Originally Posted by Oops
    Quite to the contrary, sir. His opinion was different than yours.
  2.    #122  
    I think saying you are in the middle of the road is accurate, no need to say you are a flip-flopper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Thanks oops, but it appears imossible to get it thru to him.

    Because we may agree with some republican ideas, as well as some democratic ideas that means we have no opinion? Fascinating..

    Advance, why dont you just call me a "flip - flopper", it'll just be the cherry on top of your cliched sheeplike behavior.
  3. #123  
    yawn
  4.    #124  
    Back on Global Warming Topic:

    Majority of temp increase was prior to 1940...
    The best lies contain a measure of truth. Yes, carbon dioxide in the air has increased in the last century due to the use of fossil fuels. Yes, global average temperature has increased 0.8 degrees F in the same century. Unfortunately, the temperature increase came first: most of the temperature increase was before 1940, and most of the new carbon dioxide was added after 1960. Would you trust a "scientist" who said the result came before the cause? link

    Despite billions of dollars and millions of propaganda headlines, the global warming prophesied by the climate modelling industry is not scientifically real...

    The amount spent on climate studies worldwide has now reached the astonishingly high level of about $5 billion per year. In the United States alone, more than $2 billion is spent annually for climate studies, not including the costs of satellites, ships, and laboratory construction. Climatologists have obtained this immense amount of funding by creating the vision of a man-made planetary climate catastrophe. link

    Once again the evil United States is contributing more than any other country in the world.
  5. #125  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Hey clulup...we already know that the US is the world's biggest polluter. Dont ya have anything better then that?
    Hey Clairegrrl, good to see that you already knew the US are the worlds biggest polluter. I thought you might like the "per capita" data - since you didn't like the per capita view in some of my previous posts (e.g. regarding tsunami donations or olympic medals per capita, in which the US were mediocre at best): at least regarding CO2 emissions you are top not only in the total view, but on a per capita basis, too, about two to four times more than some of your arch-nemesis European countries...
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  6. #126  
    Ok, a bunch of scientists say global warming is bs, and a bunch of scientists say global warming is a threat. Who really knows.

    But, just to be on the cautious side, maybe we should agree with the "it's real" crew? What's the advantage of leaning toward the "global warming is fake" side? Do we really need 9000 pound humvees?

    Does anyone really think this

    could be good for us?
  7. #127  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Back on Global Warming Topic:

    Majority of temp increase was prior to 1940...
    ....Would you trust a "scientist" who said the result came before the cause? link

    Despite billions of dollars and millions of propaganda headlines, the global warming prophesied by the climate modelling industry is not scientifically real. ......link
    Advance The Man, is this meant to be a joke are are you serious about this? I quote the US National Academy of Science, you quote "Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., ... who is a professor at the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection in Warsaw" and "The Brownsville Herald". So you had to go as far as Warsaw, Poland and refer to somebody specialized in "Radiological Protection" (no link to climatology...) to find somebody who supports your view, and now you try to make a point with THAT?

    And what about "The Brownsville Herald". Surely the people writing in this prestigious journal know a lot about climatology, certainly more than those weird scientists from the US National Academy of Science?

    Quotes like those don't make sense, please spare us...

    In addition, the data presented is obviously wrong, the majority of the temperature increase did NOT take place before 1940, as you can easily see in the following graph....



    More from the President's of the United States Environmental Protection Agency:
    "The 20th century's 10 warmest years all occurred in the last 15 years of the century. Of these, 1998 was the warmest year on record. The snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere and floating ice in the Arctic Ocean have decreased. Globally, sea level has risen 4-8 inches over the past century. Worldwide precipitation over land has increased by about one percent. The frequency of extreme rainfall events has increased throughout much of the United States."
    (Source)
    Last edited by clulup; 02/18/2005 at 03:52 PM.
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  8. #128  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Hey Clairegrrl, good to see that you already knew the US are the worlds biggest polluter. I thought you might like the "per capita" data - since you didn't like the per capita view in some of my previous posts (e.g. regarding tsunami donations or olympic medals per capita, in which the US were mediocre at best): at least regarding CO2 emissions you are top not only in the total view, but on a per capita basis, too, about two to four times more than some of your arch-nemesis European countries...
    Well of course we would be ahead...Most euopean countries are pretty backward and if you look at france and germany, their economies arent so hot. Whatever. And I would bet that you guys have a higher per capita of owners of knives with corkscrews, can openers and nail files then any other country. Ohhh, and tweezers too.
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  9. #129  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Do we really need 9000 pound humvees?
    It's only 8600# unless you get the tow package.
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  10. #130  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Well of course we would be ahead...Most euopean countries are pretty backward and if you look at france and germany, their economies arent so hot. Whatever. And I would bet that you guys have a higher per capita of owners of knives with corkscrews, can openers and nail files then any other country. Ohhh, and tweezers too.
    I guess if I had no valid arguments or no data in favour of my view, I might also start writing silly things like the above.
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  11. #131  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    I guess if I had no valid arguments or no data in favour of my view, I might also start writing silly things like the above.
    Most of what you say already borders on the absurd. And since I rarely agree with your view, why would I be arguing in favor of it.
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  12. #132  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Most of what you say already borders on the absurd. And since I rarely agree with your view, why would I be arguing in favor of it.
    Please quote a few examples of things bordering the absurd I wrote. As far as I remember, I was mostly quoting US sources lately, so I am really curious...
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  13. #133  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Most of what you say already borders on the absurd.
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Please quote a few examples of things bordering the absurd I wrote. As far as I remember, I was mostly quoting US sources lately, so I am really curious...
    Still waiting... since "most of" what I write "borders on the absurd", it shouldn't be difficult for you to find at least a few examples, no?
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  14. #134  
    I'm still waiting for a response to my question earlier. It was only thirty years ago when global COOLING was all the rage amongst the "experts". I'm sure you, given the "expert" testimony of the time, you would've been on that bandwagon as well.
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  15. #135  
    "im still waiting for a response to my question earlier. It was only thirty years ago when global COOLING was all the rage amongst the "experts". I'm sure you, given the "expert" testimony of the time, you would've been on that bandwagon as well. "

    im waiting for a response to that as well. id like to see how "the expert" handles this one.
  16. #136  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Well of course we would be ahead...Most euopean countries are pretty backward and if you look at france and germany, their economies arent so hot. Whatever. And I would bet that you guys have a higher per capita of owners of knives with corkscrews, can openers and nail files then any other country. Ohhh, and tweezers too.
    And what does this have to do with this discussion?
    Did you get dumped by a french guy that you are allway slandering the french? just curious. Why all that hate?
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  17. #137  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I'm still waiting for a response to my question earlier. It was only thirty years ago when global COOLING was all the rage amongst the "experts". I'm sure you, given the "expert" testimony of the time, you would've been on that bandwagon as well.
    Got any data on that? I'm not that old, so this is the first time I hear of that..
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  18. #138  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    It's only 8600# unless you get the tow package.
    Looks heavier on the pic Guess the camera adds a few pounds
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  19. #139  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I'm still waiting for a response to my question earlier. It was only thirty years ago when global COOLING was all the rage amongst the "experts". I'm sure you, given the "expert" testimony of the time, you would've been on that bandwagon as well.
    I also haven't ever heard about those cooling claims that were "all the rage amongst the experts". Was that also published in "The Brownsville Herald", or by a physician from Warsaw, Poland, such as other claims "against" global warming in this thread?

    Please quote, instead of just making stange and baseless allegations like some others here in this thead...

    Apart from that: you can always find somebody who claims something weird, even somtimes people with some scientific connections. Instead of putting your money on an extremist lunatic, you should listen to what the majority of the experts in a field thinks, such as the experts in climatology from the US National Academy of Science. You may not LIKE what they say, but at least you should accept that this represents the present state of knowledge.

    Global warming is an undisputed fact, and that much if not all of the warming in the last 50 years is due to man-made emission of greenhouse gasses is the present state of scientific knowledge. Once science will be able to prove this according to the very high standards of scientific proof, it may be too late to act and try to avoid the worst consequences.
    Last edited by clulup; 02/21/2005 at 07:37 AM.
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  20. #140  
    Some more current results of US research (17 February 2005):
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4275729.stm

    Scientists say they have "compelling" evidence that ocean warming over the past 40 years can be linked to the industrial release of carbon dioxide. US researchers compared the rise in ocean temperatures with predictions from climate models and found human activity was the most likely cause.

    In coming decades, the warming will have a dramatic impact on regional water supplies, they predict. Details of the study were released at a major science meeting in Washington DC. The conference is the annual gathering of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

    'High confidence'

    "This is perhaps the most compelling evidence yet that global warming is happening right now and it shows that we can successfully simulate its past and likely future evolution," said lead author Tim Barnett, of the climate research division at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, California. "If you take this data and combine it with a decade of earlier results, the debate about whether or not there is a global warming signal here and now is over at least for rational people."
    ...
    This model reproduced the observed temperature changes in the oceans with a statistical confidence of 95%, conclusive proof - say the researchers - that global warming is being caused by human activities.
    ...
    The western US is already experiencing water shortages and research suggests that the region could face a water crisis within 20 years.
    In the South American Andes and western China, millions of people could be left without adequate water during the summer due to accelerated melting of glaciers.

    "If the snow pack melts sooner, and if societies don't have the ability catch all of that water, they're going to end up with water shortages in the summer," Dr Barnett explained. According to the Scripps researcher, political leadership was now needed to avert a global disaster.

    "Hopefully we can get the US cranked around in that direction. I think the first thing to do is figure out the global warming-related problems we have ahead of us around the world. "Unless we know what we're dealing with, I think it's going to be pretty hard to fix it."
    Last edited by clulup; 02/21/2005 at 07:35 AM.
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