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  1. #81  
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmoozer
    I obviously do not have a time frame, but my hunch is that global warming speeds up the erosion process.
    My suv goes on sale today. I am convinced.
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  2. #82  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Please, whmurray, don't make a fool out of yourself by pretending that you derive your knowledge of the world from novels.

    Let me guess: you oppose genetic engineering because you learned from Jurassic Park that genetic engineers make dinosaurs...
    Well since Crichton is a highly educated doctor as well as an author, I dont see any reason to take his assessment any less seriously.
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  3. #83  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    do you mean your aliens and evil socialist cause global warming stories are more convincing than than a 268-page report submitted to the United Nations, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)?
    lol
  4. #84  
    Of course Clairegrrl, Insertion, whmurray, treobk214 and others will never, ever accept any data that are nor pure-bred US American, so I will only quote the best of the best US science can offer:

    Climate Change Science - An Analysis of some Key Questions
    Commitee on the Science of Climate Change, National Research Council

    NATIONAL ACADEMY PRESS, 2101 Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20418
    NOTICE: The project that is the subject of this report was approved by the Governing Board of the National Research Council, whose members are drawn from the councils of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. The members of the committee responsible for the report were chosen for their special competences and with regard for appropriate balance.

    Printed in the United States of America
    Copyright 2001 by the National Academy of Sciences. All rights reserved.

    The National Academy of Sciences is a private, nonprofit, self-perpetuating society of distinguished scholars engaged in scientific and engineering research, dedicated to the furtherance of science and technology and to their use for the general welfare. Upon the authority of the charter granted to it by the Congress in 1863, the Academy has a mandate that requires it to advise the federal government on scientific and technical matters. Dr. Bruce M. Alberts is president of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth’s atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. Temperatures are, in fact, rising.
    The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes are also a reflection of natural variability. Human-induced warming and associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st century. Secondary effects are suggested by computer model simulations and basic physical reasoning. These include increases in rainfall rates and increased susceptibility of semi-arid regions to drought. The impacts of these changes will be critically dependent on the magnitude of the warming, and the rate with which it occurs.


    http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/UniqueKeyLookup/SHSU5BUTQ4/$File/nas_ccsci_01.pdf


    True, ultimate scientific proof is lacking so far. The problem is, once we will have that proof it will be too late to avoid the potentially devastating negative consequences of what was proven...
    Last edited by clulup; 02/17/2005 at 03:57 PM.
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  5. #85  
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmoozer
    Perhaps the question is how to preserve what we already have. Some beautiful existing landscapes could be changed over time due to global warming.
    And of course it is change that we fear; any change. Never mind that many of the beauty spots used to be otherwise and that any climate change is likely to create some that we do not now have. The deserts may bloom. We do not know what we do not know. Get over it.
  6. #86  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Please, whmurray, don't make a fool out of yourself by pretending that you derive your knowledge of the world from novels.
    At my age, it is a little late to stop making a fool of myself. I confess that the fear of making a fool of myself was much worse than the risk of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Let me guess: you oppose genetic engineering because you learned from Jurassic Park that genetic engineers make dinosaurs...
    I will let Dr. Crichton speak for himself. He is a trained professional; he needs no defense from amateurs. I recommend the book as a good story well told.

    No. I do not fear or oppose genetic engineering. I see nothing sacred about DNA. While my field is risk management, I do not fear science, study, or their consequences. I stand with Plato and Socrates that the only real evil is ignorance.
    Last edited by whmurray; 02/17/2005 at 04:27 PM.
  7. #87  
    CO2 Emissions, total per country
    Note that the US emit far more CO2 than any other country, e.g. about 5 times as much as India with a population which is more than three times that of the US.

    CO2 Emissions per Capita, OECD (developed) countries
    Note that on a per capita basis, US citizens cause not only the largest amount of CO2 emissions of all deveoloped countries, but also not less than twice as much as British, Japanese, German, French, or Swiss...
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  8. #88  
    Quote Originally Posted by whmurray
    I will let Dr. Crichton speak for himself. He is a trained professional; he needs no defense from amateurs. I recommend the book as a good story well told.
    Crichton was a trained medical doctor 36 years ago, before he became a professional fiction writer. He is the amateur, even an amateur with an agenda, and clearly his latest novel needs some debunking, as shown e.g. here or here.

    I liked some of his books, but his latest novel stands on intellectual quicksand. I am sure you will notice that, too, when you compare his views concerning global warming to the views of the majority of real, present-day scientists in the field.
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  9. #89  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    lol
    Hey Joe Bear...you're gonna hafta quit smoking. Global warming and all.
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  10. #90  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    But judging by the article (which I btw find a lot more trustworthy than the links you provided) it seems they discovered some more evidence to what most scientist allready were claiming..
    Sure there is a small chance they are all wrong, but for now I take it they are on the right track.
    You guys are aware that just 30 years ago, these experts were warning us of Global COOLING, aren't you? I wonder what your view would've been then? There was no doubt a mountain of evidence to support this.
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  11. #91  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    True, ultimate scientific proof is lacking so far. The problem is, once we will have that proof it will be too late to avoid the potentially devastating negative consequences of what was proven...
    The stuff you just quoted is from 2001....gee for such a crisis, shouldnt there be more recent data??
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  12. #92  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    CO2 Emissions, total per country
    Note that the US emit far more CO2 than any other country, e.g. about 5 times as much as India with a population which is more than three times that of the US.

    CO2 Emissions per Capita, OECD (developed) countries
    Note that on a per capita basis, US citizens cause not only the largest amount of CO2 emissions of all deveoloped countries, but also not less than twice as much as British, Japanese, German, French, or Swiss...
    Hey clulup...we already know that the US is the world's biggest polluter. Dont ya have anything better then that?
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  13. #93  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Hey clulup...we already know that the US is the world's biggest polluter. Dont ya have anything better then that?
    your logic keeps amazing me...
    First people point deny global warming, than the finger at other countries, then say it is not manmade and eventually: we allready know so move away
    Change starts from within. the first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem... you are halfway there (admitting you pollute most)
    You use the same reasoning as an alcoholic who says: yeah I drink more than the averge, I know that, don't you have anything better than that?
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  14. #94  
    clulup, thank you for this. It gets frustrating listening to people who know nothing concrete about a subject yet insisit on pushing their opinion.

    Now I am waiting for someone to make the mistake of mixing ozone depletion into the global warming discussion assuming it is a contributor.

    Pre world wide web these arguments would come up in the old BBS days and the word cyclical was abused in so many ways. If someone has no idea of what they are talking about they use the word cyclical and refuse to admit that mankind has any capability for drastically altering such a huge thing as our planet in any negative way.

    BTW, if anyone out there is thinking to say that ozone depletion is bogus or that it is "cyclical" changes in the earth's natural environment please read up on the subject. Mankind has done tremendous damage to the ozone with CFCs, this is proven by measuring chlorine monoxide in the atmosphere which is a non-naturally occuring compound that is a direct result of ozone molecule destruction by CFCs. I built numerous ground based chlorine monoxide detectors and several satellite based units.
    The evidence is huge and yet people with no clue will make up ridiculous arguments about why mankind cannot be at fault and persuade others with no clue that it must not really be a problem.

    Oh, hey, let's take a poll. How many think global warming is really a problem?
    Gee, the poll shows only 35% believe it's real so it MUST not really exist and we should worry about which actor is getting divorced instead.

    Geez this stuff burns by a$$.

    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    You seem to have very strong convictions regarding global warming, which is surprising to me because judging from your post, you know - well, probably not really a lot about the subject.

    What is "cyclical" in your view?

    To what do Volcanoes "contribute" in your view?

    Man-made global warming is due to the increased emission of greenhouse gasses, with carbon dioxide as the major contributor (mainly from burning petroleum and coal). Greenhous gasses absorb sunlight and transform it into heat, thus increasing the global temperature.

    Volcano eruptions, in contrast, are a major source for ash and aerosols which reach high altitudes in the atmosphere and reflect sunlight back into space, thus leading to COLDER temperatures...

    As usual, the information would be at your fingertips:

    "The current scientific consensus is that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...climate_change

    http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/
  15. #95  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    your logic keeps amazing me...
    First people point deny global warming, than the finger at other countries, then say it is not manmade and eventually: we allready know so move away
    Change starts from within. the first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem... you are halfway there (admitting you pollute most)
    You use the same reasoning as an alcoholic who says: yeah I drink more than the averge, I know that, don't you have anything better than that?
    The difference is that you want more government in your life, telling you what to do, mostly I think Americans want less. Watch where you point that finger, someone might get hurt. Then that would by on your hands
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  16. #96  
    Global warming and every idiots opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by the_nite_owl
    Geez this stuff burns by a$$.
    Even *****'s have moments of clarity! Only a fool turns a blind eye! Get over yourself
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  17. #97  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    The difference is that you want more government in your life, telling you what to do, mostly I think Americans want less. Watch where you point that finger, someone might get hurt. Then that would by on your hands
    That is 1 big assumption on your side, where have I said I want more gov. in my life?
    I thought this thread was about global warming, not about global politics.
    What I'd like to see is that people take their own resposibility without gov. influence.
    Only if that doesn't work out, enforce things..
    The sad reality is that most people go for quick and dirty vs a sustainable sollution, heck I've been guilty of that many times. Sometimes we need a gov. to step in and put us straight, or we'll end up with some kind of mad max scenario.. its a nessecary evil I'm afraid.

    But you seem to think I'm some sort of communist because I'm less right wing than you
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  18.    #98  
    I didn't realize you were a conservative!

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    But you seem to think I'm some sort of communist because I'm less right wing than you
  19. #99  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I didn't realize you were a conservative!
    I'm neither actually. Some ways I'm a conservative, others I'm a liberal.
    Trust me I am no socialist. a friend of mine is and compared to him I'm rightwing..
    Compared to many here I'm leftwing...

    Personally I try to think outside the box. I'm somewhere in the middle I guess if you want to label me..
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  20. #100  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    But you seem to think I'm some sort of communist because I'm less right wing than you
    If I'm a centrist, and you are left of me ...well you seem more interested in the group and in sucking-up and co-operating then in individualism.

    I never suggested that you were any sort of ism and I would certainly be the last to label you. You think of yourself as conservative is some ways. How so...you never seem to show that side here. You seem to have the same intolerence to diverse thought as others with a liberal bent, so I was just wondering
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