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  1. #361  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I think in that case, the East would be the (former) Eastern Bloc countries. Western Europe was democratic, while most of the Eastern European countries were under the Communist thumb. Just a guess...
    I agree, (frame this one too ) just wonder why there are 2 defenitions of what is east and what is west..
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  2. #362  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    It's ok...he gets paid the same whether he is working or on TC

    I try to be civil with all of you, even when I am defending myself from being called a hypocrite, and my school being called a hypocrite, for no reason other than I disagree with your politics. You sure know how to make someone feel welcome. If you don't have a rational argument, you just have to attack the messenger I guess.
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  3. #363  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    I try to be civil with all of you, even when I am defending myself from being called a hypocrite, and my school being called a hypocrite, for no reason other than I disagree with your politics. You sure know how to make someone feel welcome. If you don't have a rational argument, you just have to attack the messenger I guess.
    Just use the ignore button on cgrrl, I wish I could..
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  4. #364  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    I try to be civil with all of you, even when I am defending myself from being called a hypocrite, and my school being called a hypocrite, for no reason other than I disagree with your politics. You sure know how to make someone feel welcome. If you don't have a rational argument, you just have to attack the messenger I guess. You guys learn well from Rove and colleagues.
    Yikes, i hope you didn't think I was attacking you...
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  5. #365  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    How heavy is earth?
    600.000.000x say 75Kg=45.000.000.000Kg that is quite a bit of mass. not sure how big a change in orbit they try to achieve..

    I also heard that the Asia tsunami changed the orbit a tiny bit too.. so 45.000.000.000Kg should have some effect..
    "a magnitude 9 quake such as Sunday’s [Tsunami] would be equivalent to more than 190 million tons of TNT"
    "one ton of TNT is equal to 4.184 x 109 joule (J)"

    So the tsunami was about 8 x 10e17 joule.

    Lifting one kilo one meter is about 10 joule.

    6 billion people times 75 kilo is about 4.5 x 10e11 kg

    So 4.5 x 10e11 kg falling down one meter would release 4.5 x 10e12 joule.

    This would be 200'000 times less than the energy of the tsunami, which had almost no influence on the axis of earth.

    (Unless there is an error in the calculation.... )
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  6. #366  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup

    This would be 200'000 times less than the energy of the tsunami, which had almost no influence on the axis of earth.

    (Unless there is an error in the calculation.... )
    I had heard several reports that it did tilt or wobble the Earths axis a wee bit. It seems unlikely to this layman, as I would think for something to really shift the planet, it would be felt worldwide.
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  7. #367  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Yikes, i hope you didn't think I was attacking you...
    no, its not you, its our dear Claire. She seems to enjoy provoking people. Anyway, I am over it now.
  8. #368  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    no, its not you, its our dear Claire. She seems to enjoy provoking people. Anyway, I am over it now.
    Okay, just wasn't sure, since her quote was a response to my post...which was intended as a joke.
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  9. #369  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    "a magnitude 9 quake such as Sunday’s [Tsunami] would be equivalent to more than 190 million tons of TNT"
    "one ton of TNT is equal to 4.184 x 109 joule (J)"

    So the tsunami was about 8 x 10e17 joule.

    Lifting one kilo one meter is about 10 joule.

    6 billion people times 75 kilo is about 4.5 x 10e11 kg

    So 4.5 x 10e11 kg falling down one meter would release 4.5 x 10e12 joule.

    This would be 200'000 times less than the energy of the tsunami, which had almost no influence on the axis of earth.

    (Unless there is an error in the calculation.... )
    according to http://www.nbi.dk/~lautrup/continuum...mi.english.pdf
    the tsunami was even stronger than that..
    2x10e18 J or 500 million ton TNT.
    Your calculation on the amount of energy looks right to me.
    Only possible explanation I can think of is the direction of that energy.
    The tsunami quake probably was a horizontal/vertical force while this experiment is a vertical one..

    But I am as skeptical as all of you...
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  10. #370  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I had heard several reports that it did tilt or wobble the Earths axis a wee bit. It seems unlikely to this layman, as I would think for something to really shift the planet, it would be felt worldwide.
    Probably was so small we wouldnt have noticed.. kind of like a mini quake, it does move the earth, but we may not notice it..
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  11. #371  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I had heard several reports that it did tilt or wobble the Earths axis a wee bit. It seems unlikely to this layman, as I would think for something to really shift the planet, it would be felt worldwide.
    Sometimes even things that seem unlikely are true, and even thing that are not felt right away have influence!

    I try to follow the best evidence and tend to believe the experts in the field. But I guess we went through this before.
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  12. #372  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Probably was so small we wouldnt have noticed.. kind of like a mini quake, it does move the earth, but we may not notice it..
    Living in Southern California, I'm all too familiar with quakes. But the overwhelming majority are "mini" and never felt.
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  13. #373  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Living in Southern California, I'm all too familiar with quakes. But the overwhelming majority are "mini" and never felt.
    See, you can answer your own question then
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  14. #374  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    But I guess we went through this before.
    And did we ever!
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  15. #375  
    I have to ask then, would it have been possible to shift the planet ever so slightly? I mean, an earthquake (which a tsunami starts as) doesn't really move the Earth, rather it shifts plates. What magnitude would be needed to actually shift the planet?
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  16. #376  
    In theory dropping a needle would be able to get the planet in a different orbit.
    But that is assuming the rest of the world is at a total stand still, and then the difference would be minimal.
    The bigger the mass the bigger the impact..
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  17. #377  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    In theory dropping a needle would be able to get the planet in a different orbit.
    But that is assuming the rest of the world is at a total stand still, and then the difference would be minimal.
    The bigger the mass the bigger the impact..
    But that would be impact, which an earthquake isn't. Obviously a meteor could shift us, if not outright oblitorate the planet...

    so then, in theory World Jump Day would work...
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  18. #378  
    in theory it could work yeah..
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  19. #379  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I have to ask then, would it have been possible to shift the planet ever so slightly? I mean, an earthquake (which a tsunami starts as) doesn't really move the Earth, rather it shifts plates. What magnitude would be needed to actually shift the planet?
    I am not a phyisicst, but I am quite sure it is not possible to shift earth with an earthquake, and also not by "jumping" of billions of people.

    The thing is, the moment the people jump, their gravitational mass pulls earth towards them (for a totally insignificant, unmeasurable bit), and when they come down again, that pull is just reversed (actio=reactio). It is impossible to have a net effect by jumping, the forces always compensate each other (unless you jump high enough to escape gravity of earth, which is tough).
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  20. #380  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    I am not a phyisicst, but I am quite sure it is not possible to shift earth with an earthquake, and also not by "jumping" of billions of people.

    The thing is, the moment the people jump, their gravitational mass pulls earth towards them (for a totally insignificant, unmeasurable bit), and when they come down again, that pull is just reversed (actio=reactio). It is impossible to have a net effect by jumping, the forces always compensate each other (unless you jump high enough to escape gravity of earth, which is tough).
    Brace yourself Clu, but that makes absolute sense to me.
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