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    from Americablog:

    If you're a student, or have one in the family, and voted for Bush, you're an ***** (oh yeah, he's cutting Medicaid funding too):
    About 150 programs in all would be shuttered or radically cut back to help meet Bush's goal of shaving the budget deficit in half by 2009. One out of every three of the targeted programs concerns education. Medicaid funding would be reduced significantly....
    Then there's this:
    The spending plan does not include future expenses of the continuing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, nor does it include upfront transition costs of restructuring Social Security as Bush has proposed. The administration will submit a separate supplemental request largely for Afghanistan and Iraq operations in the current fiscal year, which will be reflected in the budget charts, officials said, but war costs in 2006 and beyond will not be. Nor will be the cost of Bush's Social Security plan, which would begin in 2009 and result in $754 billion in additional debt over its first five years.
    That's nice. Bush is cutting programs to make up for the deficit supposedly caused by the war/9.11, but Bush won't tell us how much the war/9.11 costs really are, so then how do we know if this budget does or doesn't address those costs?

    And then there's this:
    the administration plans to cut costly weapons programs such as an Air Force advanced fighter plane, a stealthy Navy destroyer and the next generation of nuclear submarines. Bush's missile defense program would likewise lose billions of dollars in funding in coming years.
    So, to put this in the Republican vernacular, Bush is cutting military programs that we were told we needed to guarantee our national defense, all because he spent too much in Iraq? So the Iraq war is now jeopardizing our national defense?

    And finally, massive cuts from law enforcement, education, transportation infrastructure, and the environment:
    It would slice law enforcement grants to states from $2.8 billion to $1.5 billion. And it would cut 48 education programs totaling $4.3 billion, including $2.2 billion for high school programs, mostly state grants for vocational education.

    The budget would cut $440 million in Safe and Drug-Free School grants, $500 million in education technology state grants, $225 million for the Even Start literacy program, $280 million for Upward Bound programs for inner-city youths and a $150 million talent research program, according to the documents.

    The budget includes no subsidy for Amtrak and would eliminate $20 million for the next generation of high-speed rail and $250 million for railroad rehabilitation. Several Energy Department programs would be eliminated, as would $100 million in grants for land and water conservation. The budget proposal would cut $94 million in grants for the Healthy Communities Access Program and phase out rural health grants, the documents said. Bush touted his commitment to such programs during his reelection campaign. The president would terminate the Community Food and Nutrition Program, and cut a migrant and seasonal farm worker training program. He would renew his effort to cut a $143 million program for the removal of severely distressed housing.
    So basically, Bush lied during the election and now we're all screwed.
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    Well .. I for one am glad to see the cuts and only wish they were deeper. The federal government does not exist to give handouts. Medicare should be abolished entirely.

    The more of this crap the government gets out of the more private industry will pick up on. The federal government exists to provide for our common defense not a socialist redistribution of wealth.

    Oh and what did Bush lie about during the election ?? He has always stood for reduced domestic spending and increased defense spending.

    The military programs Bush is cutting are irrelevant, no one cares about the missile defense system it costs a lot of money and will offer no protection from terrorists.
    Last edited by riekl; 02/07/2005 at 09:50 AM.
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    my pleasure
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    Happy to help. It's so nice to be appreciated.
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    No problem. Let me know if I can be of any further help!
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    nice that you approve of budget cuts in law enforcement and education also. that should keep America a great country! as long as the wealthy get their tax cuts!
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    I am far from wealthy and I received a tax cut. I like that a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Oh and what did Bush lie about during the election ?? He has always stood for reduced domestic spending and increased defense spending.
    Bush stood for reduced spending? If Bush stood for reduced domestic spending, he indeed was a liar. Bush INCREASED domestic spending by billions of Dollars, just in case you didn't notice... it was the largest INCREASE since 30 years (Nixon/Ford).

    Are you sure you were talking about GWB?
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
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    Everyone got tax cuts .. most people making under 30k/year dont pay a dime in federal taxes so that monologue wont get you very far.

    As far as law enforcement/education go, this is NOT something the federal government should be involved in at all. This is a state and local issue, every state has different resources and different costs, as well as different demands on the education system federal funding just screws things up. With that said the public schools in the US are so screwed up the amount of money is irrelevant. You could dump 1trillion/year into the school and our education would still suck compared to the rest of the world. We already spend more / pupil then any other country and have near the bottom of the result stack, money isn't the solution.
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    Of course, most of the tax cuts, in both dollars and percent, go to the wealthy who could easily afford to pay more, but republican's don't like to discuss that, do they?

    In exchange for providing trillions in tax cuts to the wealthy, the middle class will get less police protection (except for traffic tickets--the police will have to try to get their revenue from somewhere), have a more difficult time getting sending their kids to college and getting affordable medical care, drive on roads that are falling apart, and have a second rate military (because so much of the military's budget goes to fighting a stupid war in Iraq).

    Oh the other hand, our kids'll have a much easier time finding illegal drugs, will get to breathe more polluted air, will have an easy time finding a job, as long as they want to be soldiers, and will inherit deficits for as long as the eye can see.

    Sounds like a great trade-off to me!
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  12.    #12  
    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Well .. I for one am glad to see the cuts and only wish they were deeper. The federal government does not exist to give handouts.
    I see you are in favor of reducing useless and wasteful agencies like the VA too.

    From the Chicago SumTimes: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...s-wvets06.html

    "Homeless vets wait years for aid"

    And I'm sure you'll be happy with this from the NYT:

    " President Bush's budget would more than double the co-payment charged to many veterans for prescription drugs and would require some to pay a new fee of $250 a year for the privilege of using government health care, administration officials said Sunday."
    Last edited by nudist; 02/07/2005 at 10:50 AM. Reason: additional
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    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Everyone got tax cuts .. most people making under 30k/year dont pay a dime in federal taxes so that monologue wont get you very far.
    My girlfriend earned 26,291 and paid 2414 (look at the tax tables). a long ways from a dime!
    So are you misinformed or just simply lying?
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    well, as some of you know my son is autistic. He is like that because of mercury poisoning in vaccinations. Bush first tried to give pharmaceutical companies retroactive protection for lawsuits. This new law also added the following thing:

    If you are in ligitation with your school district regarding services for your child and you LOSE, you have to pay for both your lawyer and the school's legal cost. So, if the school gets a whole legal team and you can't afford a high-cost lawyer, you pay for both. It also means, if you want to get services for your child's disabilities, you are at the mercy of the school district, even if your state's law states otherwise.
    Remember: You are an unique, individual person...just like everyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by nudist
    My girlfriend earned 26,291 and paid 2414 (look at the tax tables). a long ways from a dime!
    So are you misinformed or just simply lying?
    If your girlfriend paid 2414 on an income of 26291 she was robbed and doesnt know how to do her taxes.

    Does she have no deductions ? No education expenses ? No children (hopefully), no moving expenses, no charital donations or work ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    If your girlfriend paid 2414 on an income of 26291 she was robbed and doesnt know how to do her taxes.

    Does she have no deductions ? No education expenses ? No children (hopefully), no moving expenses, no charital donations or work ?
    If you mean she doesn't cheat on her taxes, you are correct. no kids, no education expense, no moving and can't really afford to do much charitable donation.. (unless she just CLAIMS it........).

    she is like alot of people. what would you suggest? how is it that MOST people making $30,000 dont pay a dime? where is the source of this claim? Did you make this up, thinking people would believe it?
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    ANYTIME, nudist. your very welcome. I hope you enjoy all the nuances of bush's new plan. look forward to making your life more and more enjoyable every day!
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    Nope
    http://www.taxfoundation.org/prtopincometable.html

    Exerpt

    Bottom 50% 64,162 869,749 27,899 14.23% 3.50% below $ 28,654 3.21%

    In short this means that those making 27,899 paid on average 3.21% of their income which is virtually nothing or about $890/year.
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    I would think with the Superbowl revenues in Jacksonville, and Disney, Universal Studios, Busch Gardens and all the rest; the FLA residents should be swimming in excess taxable revenues.

    Maybe Nudist should build a casino !
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    for nudists!
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