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  1. #41  
    It's nice to see someone who doesn't think the ACLU is worth a crap is only expressing a knee-jerk reaction. Of course that has to be the case, because otherwise we might have observed their practices and methods and determined through thoughtful consideration that they dont have anyone's best interests at heart but their own. And since we know that you think anyone who disagrees with you isnt capable of forming their own opinion and is just a parrot, that must be all we are doing, knee-jerking.

    It's so nice that you think you are smarter than pretty much everyone here. We are all too stupid to form our own opinions and you can spell better than anyone. Wow, color me impressed .

    As far as DL's spelling error, we ALL knew what he meant. Even you, the perfect speller. Funny how only you felt the need to put him down. Funny, not surprising, but funny.
    Yes, I believe by the proof in the above posts IO have shown that most of the negative ACLU comments here come feom no real knowledge or understanding of the organizations purpose and were rather ditto-head type responses.

    I was not the only one to point out the mis-used word, and i did not bash.
  2. #42  
    1920's and 1930's
    Founded by Roger Baldwin, 1920
    Several crucial leaders of the ACLU were members of the Communist Party. Earl Browder, then General Secretary of the Communist Party, said the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party.


    1940's and 1950's
    In 1945 the ACLU opposed laws requiring prostitutes to submit to examinations or vaccinations, saying these violated the women's rights to "medical liberty."
    In 1957 the board of directors declared that it was not the business of the ACLU "to evaluate the social validity of laws aimed at the suppression or elimination of homosexuals."


    1960's
    The ACLU's increasing success in the courtroom brings it a growing notoriety and increasing access to powerful financial and political resources.
    In the late 60's American culture's increasing hostility toward Christian values frees the ACLU to make aggressive legal assaults on organized religions.
    In 1967 the ACLU adopted a "pro-choice" position on abortion.


    1970's
    In 1975 the ACLU came out in favor of special rights for homosexuals.
    In 1977 the ACLU initiated its "Reproductive Freedom Project" that, over the next 16 years, utilized 17 full-time employees and a budget of $2 million.


    1980's
    In 1986 the ACLU created its "Lesbian and Gay Rights" project.
    September 1986 - The ACLU successfully sues fifth grade public school teacher Kenneth Roberts, forcing him to remove his personal Bible from his classroom desk. Roberts kept the Bible on top of his desk, and he read from it during his class' silent reading time. He never read it to his students or told them they had to read it. (Contrast this to the ACLU's actions in February and March, 2001, in Anaheim, California. This time, the ACLU threatened to sue the public school board if they did not put pro-homosexual propaganda on the shelves of the high school library.)
    In 1988 the ACLU barred a doctor from telling a Kansas man's former wife that her ex-husband had tested positive for AIDS. In the words of the director of the ACLU's Privacy and Technology Project, "The benefits of confidentiality outweigh the possibility that somebody may be injured."
    In 1989 the government granted tax exemptions for Satanists - a position the ACLU has supported.


    1990's
    In 1992 the ACLU persuaded a judge to approve adoption of a young boy by his mother's lesbian partner.
    In 1993 in Pennsylvania the ACLU successfully opposed parental approval for teaching about substance abuse or human reproduction and forbade any discussion of morality and violence.
    In 1995 the ACLU spoke out against the Flag Amendment which would have banned burnings and desecrations of the American flag.
    March 1995 - The ACLU files a lawsuit against Alabama Circuit Judge Roy Moore to force him to discontinue prayer in his courtroom and remove a Ten Commandments plaque from the wall behind his bench. Judge Moore countersued, asking a state court to resolve the constitutionality of official acknowledgements of God. This was the beginning of an ongoing, on-again off-again series of legal battles between the ACLU and Judge Moore.
    In 1996 the ACLU convinced the Supreme Court to overturn Colorado's "Amendment Two," regarding homosexual special rights.
    In 1996 the ACLU worked with senators to defeat legislation providing federally-funded cash vouchers to students in Washington D.C.'s religious schools.
    In 1997 the ACLU successfully beseeched the Supreme Court to protect the rights of pornographers on the Internet - including the right to show their images to children.


    2000 - Present
    May 2000 - Arizona Governor Jane Hull issues a proclamation celebrating the birth of Buddha. An ACLU spokesperson said, "Although we may think proclamations are inappropriate, they may not violate the Constitution." (In 1998, when Governor Hull issued a proclamation declaring a "Bible Week," the ACLU sued, claiming a violation of the so-called "separation of church and state.")
    Janurary 2001 - At a press conference co-hosted by Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt, ACLU President Nadine Strossen lambasted Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft. Strossen claimed he had a "fundamental disdain for the Constitution," simply because he is pro-life, pro-family, favors common-sense restrictions on virtual (Internet) child pornography, and questions the notion of the so-called "separation of church and state."
    April 2002 - The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit struck down a Colorado law requiring parents be notified when their underage daughters sought abortions. The ACLU supported the suit to have the law struck down.
    April 2002 - The U.S. Supreme Court struck down major portions of the Child Pornography Protection Act, which prohibited Internet porn hawkers from making "virtual" child pornography. The ACLU immediately declared victory, calling it a triumph for "free speech."
    January 2003 - The Hawaii branch of the ACLU filed suit to remove a requirement from a public school honor code that students pledge their "love for God." Without going to court, the school backed down.
    February 2003 - A federal district judge prohibited Florida officials from blocking an anti-war demonstration at a public park that featured a peace symbol at a public park, comprised of nude bodies. Said an ACLU attorney, "For these demonstrators, nudity is an essential part of their political expression."
  3. #43  
    Nice source to cite:
    http://www.reclaimamerica.org/

    Don't think I'll waste my time researching the validity of these claims given the rabidness of that website.
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Yes, I believe by the proof in the above posts IO have shown that most of the negative ACLU comments here come feom no real knowledge or understanding of the organizations purpose and were rather ditto-head type responses.

    I was not the only one to point out the mis-used word, and i did not bash.
    Yes your posts PROVE youre right. LOL. And you you know everyone here and the depth of their knowledge on all subjects including the ACLU. Fact is, you call them ditto head responses because it is just plain unfathomable to you that so many people dont believe your "proof' AND have an opinion different from yours.

    I'd say Dlbrummels post offers more proof of the ACLU's position than do yours. But then that is just my kneejerk dittohead response. I am not smart enough to have a real educated opinion. If I was I would most certainly agree with you daThomas, because you are obviously smarter than the rest of us.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  5. #45  
    As valid as the pabulum you’re spouting.
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    "A lot" it two words not one. So please change "thanks alot" to "thanks a lot"
    While you are taking the time to correct people, I thought you should correct your comment to read "A lot is two words....."
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    "A lot" it two words not one. So please change "thanks alot" to "thanks a lot"
    Actually, given the intent to apportion appreciation equally to all Bush supporters, 'alot' may in fact be appropriate.
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Please don't waste your time on these people. They are not willing ot see truth or use reason.

    You know that is the epitome of what's wrong with the political discourse in this country. It's intolerence like that of other people views which is destroying the faith in the civic foundation of many people. I thought one of the principles cherished by organizations like the ACLU is the protection of all views, not that of just yours or those on the left?

    Regarding the ACLU, I firmly believe that it has had a vital and important institution in its past. It stood for the protection of civil liberties and rights in many important landmark cases. The problem today is that the ACLU is not what it used to be b/c it is now controlled by those with their own political agendas often on the extreme left. It didn't used to be that way. Now when the ACLU usually files a lawsuit or brief, it is usually something that "they" deem worthwhile via the perspective of their political ideologies. They only fight for so called "liberal causes" and liberal/progressive speech. What about extreme right speech or hate speech? Shouldn't that be protected as well? When was the last time the ACLU fought on behalf for them? For example, why doesn't the ACLU fight a case to protect against religious persecution? Isn't freedom of speech universal regardless? Unfortunately today's ACLU would never file a lawsuit to defend a neo-Nazi group's intention to parade in Skokie, IL as it did in 1977. That would never happen with today's ACLU. Yes there was the photo-op offer to file for Rush, but that was just aggrandisment to counter its critics. If the ACLU want to be taken seriously then it has to universal in its intentions and blinded by political ideology...
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  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Nice source to cite:
    http://www.reclaimamerica.org/

    Don't think I'll waste my time researching the validity of these claims given the rabidness of that website.
    Right, because it's probably just kneejerking and dittoheading and you wouldnt want to find anything that might make you think your position is maybe wrong. Oh no, only look at the stuff that supports your side.

    Facts are facts. I am sure there are plenty of other places where the ACLU's agenda has been documented. Of course they are probably all to "rabid" for you.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  10. #50  
    As valid as the pabulum you’re spouting.
    No, I think not. I posted examples refuting the assertion that the ACLU is against religion.
  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    While you are taking the time to correct people, I thought you should correct your comment to read "A lot is two words....."
    I stopped correcting english mistakes a long time ago on forums after re-reading some of my posts. All bets are off with spelling and grammar on forums!
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I stopped correcting english mistakes a long time ago on forums after re-reading some of my posts. All bets are off with spelling and grammar on forums!
    Well it just shows that most posters dont take the time to "craft" their responses and well...whatever
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  13. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Nice source to cite:
    http://www.reclaimamerica.org/

    Don't think I'll waste my time researching the validity of these claims given the rabidness of that website.
    I just went to the site in question and poked around a bit. What is this 'rabidness' you speak of. Or is that the term you use when it conflicts with your opinion?

    I don't agree with everything they say, but it is hardly rabid in it's presentation.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Well it just shows that most posters dont take the time to "craft" their responses and well...whatever
    No offense to your post, it was clever and the original poster deserved the reminder.
  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    No offense to your post, it was clever and the original poster deserved the reminder.
    Thanks for saying that! I was just on the verge of being offended...hehehe
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  16. #56  
    ACLU Lawsuits Absurd

    06 May, 1999

    By Larry P. Arnn
    CNS Commentary from the Claremont Institute

    Over the years the Claremont Institute has published numerous pamphlets, papers, and articles, and filed several amici curiae, opposing the American Civil Liberties Union. To a large degree the ACLU is our nemesis.

    The ACLU operates, first, by twisting the meaning of a few passages of the Constitution, while ignoring the rest, in a way to undermine the American principles of equal rights (it supports racial quotas), ordered liberty (it supports unrestricted pornography), and limited government (it supports massive regulation). Second, it works its will undemocratically, filing lawsuits that encourage unelected judges and bureaucrats to reverse the policies of elected representatives.

    Two such lawsuits in the news last week seem especially noteworthy in the context of the current debate over the murders in Littleton, Colorado:

    (1) On April 28, the city of Manhattan, Kansas removed a replica of the Ten Commandments which had stood for nearly a half century in front of its City Hall. It did so under pressure from an ACLU lawsuit claiming that the display violated the separation of church and state.

    (2) Similarly, the ACLU has filed a federal class-action lawsuit to prohibit public schools and military bases from sponsoring Boy Scout troops, on grounds that Boy Scouts pledge duty to God. This follows up an ACLU victory last year that terminated Chicago's municipal sponsorship of Scout troops.

    These lawsuits are absurd. The First Amendment's prohibition against religious establishment prevents our being ruled by clerics who would force us to worship God in a prescribed manner. It does not require our secular government to be indifferent to the religious and moral principles of its citizens, or to kowtow to atheist dissenters.

    The lawsuits are also destructive. Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1787: "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God?" This recognition that liberty, to be secure, must be understood as liberty under God (and thus distinguished from license), explains why Congress, the Supreme Court, and until recently many of America's public schools have always opened with prayer; why the U.S. military employs chaplains; etc.

    Liberals have a cynical habit of trying to capitalize politically on human tragedies. Demonstrators at last weekend's NRA convention in Denver, for instance, seized on Littleton as an opportunity to smear supporters of Second Amendment gun rights.

    Resisting the temptation to retaliate, we do not charge even the most rabid ACLU member with callousness toward human suffering, or with responsibility for Littleton, based on their role in replacing God with pornography in the public square. But we insist on the principle that no danger or crisis, foreign or domestic, will be solved by Americans surrendering more of their constitutional liberties, in the foolish hope that a bigger government will provide greater security.

    The opposite instinct - to stand on our democratic rights and meet any and all dangers and crises ourselves - is the American way, and has paid off royally in the past.

    Today, of course, reasserting our right of self-government with respect to matters like promoting the Ten Commandments and Boy Scout sponsorship, after decades of encroachment on that right by groups like the ACLU in conjunction with unelected judges and bureaucrats, is no gimme.

    Larry P. Arnn is president of The Claremont Institute.
  17. #57  
    DL you have to stop with all the rabid sources.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  18. #58  
    Richard Mullenax
    December 8, 2004


    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is the most dangerous legal organization in America today.

    The ACLU demands that homosexual tolerance-training be required in certain schools or else lawsuits will follow. Not only does the ACLU want women to have the choice to have an abortion under any circumstance, but it wants the rights to be extended to the age of fourteen and without parental consent. It also demands oral sex training be taught in schools while calling abstinence a dangerous practice.

    Louise Melling, director of the ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project said:

    "Today's report offers concrete evidence that abstinence-only sex education curriculums are all too often based on ideology and religion rather than science. Studies show that the overwhelming majority of parents want their children to get all the information they need to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including information about contraception, how to use condoms properly, and about abortion. The government needs to stop censoring lifesaving information."

    Abstinence doesn't save lives? Well it does, but it might have some religious context to it, according to the ACLU, so that makes abstinence "dangerous." Did the ACLU ever stop and think that giving sexual tools and instructions to kids to use will actually increase dangerous sexual activity? Sex is never a 100% safeguarded against sexual diseases or unwanted pregnancies.

    The ACLU is always finding new ways to outrage traditional America. This month, the ACLU's biggest focus is censoring Christmas, a national holiday. The ACLU is clamping down on school districts, trying to deter them from promoting Christmas in any way. No Christmas tree, no carol singing, and by no means, any mention of the name of Jesus Christ.

    The ACLU says that we cannot publicly celebrate our own national holiday unlike Halloween or Thanksgiving, which is celebrated in public schools without much prejudice.

    The ACLU believes that Christmas offends the beliefs of non-Christians. Yet homosexuality doesn't impose on other people's values? How biased can one organization be? Not even Ramadan or Hanukah were discriminated against by the ACLU last year.

    In the First Amendment, it says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. "

    If the leaders of the ACLU ever took the time to find out why this phrase was there, then maybe they would reform its views.

    England, the country that the colonists came from, had only one church and it was the Anglican Church or the Church of England. All others were illegal. King Henry the Eighth had a falling out with the Catholic Church some years back over a divorce issue and outlawed the Catholic Church. He established the Anglican Church and allowed no others to exist.

    Our forefathers saw this as religious tyranny, and some groups like the Quakers came to America to escape from religious persecution. One of the fundamental principles laid down by the founding fathers was the concept of religious freedom, without repercussions from the government.

    Today, it has been bastardized into the popular notion that religion (especially Christianity) has no place in our society or in any public forum. It is ironic that the laws of this nation are based upon the laws laid down in the Ten Commandments.

    Some Christians are fighting back. People in the "Public Advocate of the United States" will sing Christmas carols at noon on December 8 in front of the ACLU office building in Washington, D.C. But they are not alone in this fight. In Maplewood, New Jersey, parents of the Columbia High School brass ensemble, are fighting for their rights to sing Christmas carols at the school's holiday concert. Since the ACLU will not defend the students' rights, Attorney Demetrios Stratis, affiliated with the conservative civil liberties group Alliance Defense Fund, will do so.

    Let the battle for Christmas begin.
  19. #59  
    nothing but more kneejerking dittoheads of course keep em coming.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
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