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    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ood/index.html

    what's also interesting to note here is that there is mention that annan's son worked with a SWISS organization which approved what was going in and out of the program! A SWISS company! does this mean the swiss have a hand in this mess as well?
    for shame. anyway, im looking into this little further to find out if
    they were indeed privy to what was happening here.
    if it turns out they were, what a shock that would be wouldn't it?
    Last edited by treobk214; 02/04/2005 at 01:45 AM.
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    "Swiss-based company Cotecna.
    The report stated that Cotecna, which the United Nations hired to monitor goods entering Iraq under the oil-for-food program, "was guilty of a wide variety of abuses," including overcharging the United Nations and failing to inspect goods entering Iraq.
    A U.N. audit revealed that up to $111 million was missing as a result of Cotecna's work in northern Iraq, the report said.
    Investigators for Rep. Henry J. Hyde, Illinois Republican and chairman of the International Relations Committee, said their panel's probe has uncovered lists of companies favored by Saddam that profited from the illicit oil and humanitarian goods trade.
    The panel also uncovered blacklists of firms that were denied lucrative contracts because of suspected links to Israel or because they refused to go along with corruption.
    The Hyde investigators said there are signs that Saddam's government used money obtained under the U.N. program "

    hey, clulup, no wonder you guys opposed the iraq war, you were IN ON IT with saddam and the oil for food scandal. this dwarfs the situation in which you try to denigrate the US' mishandling of money in iraq. $9 billion is bad huh? how about the $21 billion that was involved in the corruption here at your hands? think that makes you look ridiculous here or what?!
    I think this is QUITE HUMILIATING to the swiss' image of faultless accountability. they have been utterly exposed, invalidating ALL prior attempts to portray themselves as superiors to their neighbors in dealing with international affairs.
    I now understand the staunch opposition to bush by the swiss here - bush's represents the uncovering of all the scandalous behavior that they as well as other european countries are profiting from over all this time. is it any wonder why these people would oppose us?
    all these claims of haliburton corruption run rampant... isn't it interesting who`s REALLY running the CORRUPTION - RIDDEN CONTRACTS now?

    what say you, clulup? I should think you would find this breaking news QUITE UNSETTLING especially in light of your history of pretentious criticisms of america. care for a spot of tea to accompany your humble pie?
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    bing, bing, bing.!!!! the swiss are our new champions of world corruption! here's to your contribution to distinguished achievements in world progress! bravo! bravo! how admirable!
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    Swiss-based company Cotecna.
    The report stated that Cotecna, which the United Nations hired to monitor goods entering Iraq under the oil-for-food program, "was guilty of a wide variety of abuses," including overcharging the United Nations and failing to inspect goods entering Iraq.
    A U.N. audit revealed that up to $111 million was missing as a result of Cotecna's work in northern Iraq, the report said.
    Investigators for Rep. Henry J. Hyde, Illinois Republican and chairman of the International Relations Committee, said their panel's probe has uncovered lists of companies favored by Saddam that profited from the illicit oil and humanitarian goods trade.
    The panel also uncovered blacklists of firms that were denied lucrative contracts because of suspected links to Israel or because they refused to go along with corruption.
    The Hyde investigators said there are signs that Saddam's government used money obtained under the U.N. program"

    im overdoing it by double posting here, but I feel an overpowering urge to emphasize the magnitude of guilt associated with the swiss' utter corruption in this scandal.
    people claim bush was the most corrupt administration in recent years? that's nothing now. take a good look at these swiss, it looks like they wrote the book on the art of corruption!

    I love this! I have more quotes than nasdaq here. lol. justice truly IS poetic, isn't it? how does it feel, swisslanders, to have such a grand case of criminal indictment hung securely around YOUR neck now?

    gotta love the irony!
    Last edited by treobk214; 02/04/2005 at 03:32 AM.
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    Just because the Swiss company is clearly guilty of corruption does not excuse the Bush Admin Haliburton scandal. The truth always comes to light and this is another example
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfmcdowell357
    Just because the Swiss company is clearly guilty of corruption does not excuse the Bush Admin Haliburton scandal. The truth always comes to light and this is another example

    the point here is that the swiss have been tireless critics of the bush administration... condemning corruption, pontificating to the world how improperly others handle themselves or engage in scandalous activities for the sole purpose of selfish gain. speaking as if they were completely innocent of any such faults themselves!

    well look where we find such champions of superior judgement? at the ZENITH of this mountain of shame enshrouding the oil for food scandal.

    furthermore, haliburton is mere speculation. THIS, however, is indefensible, unrefutable evidence of utter hypocrisy, deception, and criminal embezzlement - and such crime is connected with none other than our staunchest,"more superior" critics who were insistent in trying to indict us for such arrogant, reprehensible behavior throughout history! interesting is it not?!

    we (john kerry - wonder how he`s sleeping these days) wanted to embrace these people in the UN as those of unquestionable character in determining proper modes of action in world crises???!! that we should submit ourselves to THESE hypocrits to evaluate if we pass some grand, divine GLOBAL TEST?? wow!!! no wonder bush refuses to meet with kofi annan, now!

    i strongly think NOT folks. our opponents, it appears, are not trying to keep america in check for the purpose of looking out for the good of the world, but rather for the purposes of preserving their own scandalous affairs with the tyrannical dictators and corrupted organizations throughout the world! smoke and mirrors, folks. money talks, and bs walks. welcome to the grand state of affairs within the UN and its omniscient fraternal accomplices, the swisslanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfmcdowell357
    Just because the Swiss company is clearly guilty of corruption does not excuse the Bush Admin Haliburton scandal. The truth always comes to light and this is another example
    Elaborate on the scandal, if you would.
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    clulup, I am 99.99998755% certain that this single-handedly destroys any credibility YOUR nation enjoyed prior to the uncovering of this laughable mess as well.
    I suspect this enormous gaffe on your nation's behalf will make it appreciably more difficult for you to continue assuming the usual air of smug, self-satisfaction you convey while criticizing the plights of others nations as they, at least, are trying to bring about some good in the world.

    YOUR nation, on the other hand, now appears more interested in detestably exploiting the unfortunate situation we find in iraq for your own personal gain, doesnt it? this is glaringly evident now.

    boy, what happened to that unfailing swiss perfection in all things that was painted for us here? has it now, suddenly, for all intents and purposes, crashed and burned?

    yep, id certainly say so boys and girls
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    clulup, I am 99.99998755% certain that this single-handedly destroys any credibility YOUR nation enjoyed prior to the uncovering of this laughable mess as well.
    I think you are confusing things a bit here, which is not surprising of course. However that may be, let me clarify a few things about Cotecna. It is a small, international company with headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, and about 4000 employees, of which only a small fraction live and work in Switzerland. I have not even heard of this company, even though I know and deal with lot's of companies here in Switzerland and abroad, before its name came up in connection with Kojo Annan.

    If there were any wrongdoings of members of this company (this may well be the case judging from the allegations mentioned), they will be prosecuted and punished according to Swiss and international law.

    However, not a single action of any member of Cotecna was ever authorized or condoned by any Swiss authority, or by any significant percentage of the population, simply because it is just a small, private company - that's really not that difficult to understand, is it?

    In my view, your assumption that the wrongdoings of a small, privately held company can single-handedly destroy the credibility of a whole nation and it's inhabitants is somewhere between far-fetched and silly, certainly in the case you mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    "Swiss-based company Cotecna.
    The report stated that Cotecna, which the United Nations hired to monitor goods entering Iraq under the oil-for-food program, "was guilty of a wide variety of abuses," including overcharging the United Nations and failing to inspect goods entering Iraq.
    A U.N. audit revealed that up to $111 million was missing as a result of Cotecna's work in northern Iraq, the report said.
    ....
    what say you, clulup? I should think you would find this breaking news QUITE UNSETTLING especially in light of your history of pretentious criticisms of america. care for a spot of tea to accompany your humble pie?
    You seem overjoyed by the whole thing, so I am almost sorry set a few things straight here.

    First, as mentioned elsewhere, Cotecna is a relatively small, PRIVATE company which happens to have its headquarters in Switerland. It was totally unknown before its name came up in connection with Kojo Annan. The actions of this company and its employees are in no way influenced or condoned by Swiss authorities or by any percentage of the Swiss population.

    BTW, here's an interesting press release by the US House of Representatives concerning Cotecna: "We acknowledge Cotecna’s past willingness to work with us and look forward to the company’s continued cooperate with our investigation."

    I would find it totally silly to accuse you or the US in general for the wrongdoings of the management of Enron, Worldcom, Andersen, etc., because they are privately held companies and certainly not on an official mission, just like Cotecna. You do not seem to find this silly in the case of Cotecna, but what can I do?

    Besides, the report found Cotecna to be "guilty of a wide variety of abuses, including overcharging the United Nations". What's the difference to Haliburton in this case, except Haliburton did not overcharge the UN?

    In addition, you got some of the facts wrong as usual, by saying "how about the $21 billion that was involved in the corruption here". It is not correct that there are $21 billion involved in the UN case. The $21 billinion include smuggling of oil to Turkey, Jordan and Egypt, in fact most of the $21 billion are part of that smuggling, which was condoned by the US and the rest of the international community:
    "This illicit revenue far exceeds the estimates of what Saddam pocketed through illegal surcharges on his U.N.-approved oil exports and illegal kickbacks on subsequent Iraqi purchases of food, medicine, and supplies -- $1.7 billion to $4.4 billion -- during the maligned seven-year U.N. oil-for-food program in Iraq."
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    oh okay, sir. so let's dismiss this completely right? let's not worry our little selvles with the millions even billions of dollars lost at the hands of your "small, private" swiss company, correct?
    wow. and you think that attempt to explain this away will "fly" during court proceedings do you? wow, this shows even more arrogance than I thought was previously possible, although its certainly not surprising in your case.. boy I CANT WAIT to watch how this develops - it's going to be VERY entertaining!
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    from what I understand, the UN hired cotecna to approve what was to go in and out of iraq, am I not correct here?
    so the UN community DEPENDED upon the better judgement of cotecna to oversee the processes taking place in the program.
    the result? total abuse and misconduct here.
    am I overjoyed, you could say that, especially since ONLY AMERICA, apparently would be capable of corruption like this, right.
    but your response is nothing unusual. rather than admit to any wrongdoing, you attempt to brush this aside as inconsquential - or at best, simply saying, you've got the facts wrong. not as I see it, this is a pretty significant scandal here. its amusing however to watch the attempts to belittle the severity of the situation's reality - doesn't surprise me at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    oh okay, sir. so let's dismiss this completely right? let's not worry our little selvles with the millions even billions of dollars lost at the hands of your "small, private" swiss company, correct?
    wow. and you think that attempt to explain this away will "fly" during court proceedings do you? wow, this shows even more arrogance than I thought was previously possible, although its certainly not surprising in your case.. boy I CANT WAIT to watch how this develops - it's going to be VERY entertaining!
    I must be expressing myself very, very, very, very badly, because you totally missed the point. Where did I dismiss anything? What is was trying to say was: It doesn't make the slightest sense to blame Switzerland as a nation or the Swiss in general for an incident in a private company which was not condoned or supported in any way by official bodies or the public in general, and which will be prosecuted and punished if laws were broken (which seems to be the case).

    Let's make a deal: you will stop confusing the actions of a company with the position or the actions of a nation, and I will not blame you, the citizens of the US, and/or the US as a nation, for Michael Jackson abusing little boys - if in fact that's what he did, which isn't sure, just as it is not sure yet Cotecna did anything illeagal.

    Not that I had the intention of blaming you for Michael Jackson, it only seems just as absurd as you condemning Switzerland and the Swiss for what Cotecna did, whatever that may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    from what I understand, the UN hired cotecna to approve what was to go in and out of iraq, am I not correct here?
    so the UN community DEPENDED upon the better judgement of cotecna to oversee the processes taking place in the program.
    the result? total abuse and misconduct here.
    am I overjoyed, you could say that, especially since ONLY AMERICA, apparently would be capable of corruption like this, right.
    but your response is nothing unusual. rather than admit to any wrongdoing, you attempt to brush this aside as inconsquential - or at best, simply saying, you've got the facts wrong. not as I see it, this is a pretty significant scandal here. its amusing however to watch the attempts to belittle the severity of the situation's reality - doesn't surprise me at all
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    These two threads really should've been just one, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    These two threads really should've been just one, no?
    I agree, but aparently the poster of those two threads was so utterly overjoyed by his findings and (sadly) his conclusions that he could not contain himself.
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    I don't want to make it seem like I am biased or anything. But before when clulup brought up the story about the US mismanaging 9 billion dollars in Iraq early after the invasion, this was treated with ridicule and counterattack. I agree the UN mismanagement is more, like 20 billion, but billions of dollars potentially going into the hands of people who are fighting against us is billions of dollars, regardless of whether the UN or the US occupying authority is doing it. Shouldn't we be appalled by the possibility of either?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    These two threads really should've been just one, no?
    merged..
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    bing, bing, bing.!!!! the swiss are our new champions of world corruption! here's to your contribution to distinguished achievements in world progress! bravo! bravo! how admirable!
    Dear treobk214,
    regarding the panel which presented the news about the Oil for Food program, leading to almost orgasmic delight from your side, because they showed that also a small Swiss company was involved: The panel consists of three members, one is Paul Volcker, an American whom you may have heard of, the second is Richard Goldstone, formerly prosecutor at the Yugoslav war crimes tribunal and now a judge on South Africa's Constitutional Court, and the third is Mark Pieth, professor of criminal law at Basel University in Switzerland. - A Swiss! - yuk!!! It must be horrifying for you to realize that poor Mr. Volker had to work with such a... Swiss.
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  20.    #20  
    there is simply no denying the hard truth, clulup that your company, no matter how small or private you claim it to be, was still involved in the worst scandal in human history!!!

    I don't care how cute you try to be here, dear clulup, its just a FACT now! the abhorrent behavior you have so regularly claimed is characteristic of the americans has very interesting shown itself within the practices of your very own country, which up until this point, you'd have us all believe was completely innocent and accountable regarding these instances of corruption.
    it has been shown that is certainly NOT the case.
    well, from what I gather from your previous threads, you clearly find $ 9 billion to be a particularly offensive amount to have mismanaged. well, then, what have we here then now that we find that the UN has not only matched that number in corruption, but gone far beyond it in the midst of its unchecked deception for food, I mean oil for food program?

    why do I emphasize this as I do? well, you see, when I hear others consistently berating and criticizing the US for alleged corruption in tones that would have you believe they themselves are incapable of such egregrious errors, you tend to hold them to the standard from which they criticize the US. in other words, if your going to be a tireless critic of america, you better be COMPLETELY innocent of the things you are criticizing them for.
    ( ie, kofi annan, etc) bc when it turns out that our critics are the guilty parties in these scandals, let's just say credibility is really no longer a card they hold in the poker game anymore.
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