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    It really is a combination of private industry and government sponsored basic research that brings advances to the bedside.
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    the funny part to me about this whole social security reform thing, as I understand it the private investing is an option that one can choose or not choose. whats the big deal about that?

    Only reason the dems are up in arms is privatizing any of soc sec will take money away from governtment programs. Same reason they say the tax code doesnt need revised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    the funny part to me about this whole social security reform thing, as I understand it the private investing is an option that one can choose or not choose. whats the big deal about that?

    Only reason the dems are up in arms is privatizing any of soc sec will take money away from governtment programs. Same reason they say the tax code doesnt need revised.
    As I pointed out in my posts on this thread, this is NOT democrats against republicans issue. There are plenty of conservative economists and republican congress folks (mentioned in my first post) that oppose "privatization" and/or the Bush administration's SS solutions. I am democrat yet I support some form of the SS "privatization".
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00se
    As I pointed out in my posts on this thread, this is NOT democrats against republicans issue. There are plenty of conservative economists and republican congress folks (mentioned in my first post) that oppose "privatization" and/or the Bush administration's SS solutions. I am democrat yet I support some form of the SS "privatization".
    sorry
    didnt mean to generalize, except that all the opposition I have heard so far is from the left
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  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    No? Name me a Government that cured anything. It is private industry that researches and develops medications. What Administration invented the X-Ray or MRI? Was Jonas Salk part of the Legislative, Judicial or Executive branch??
    I suppose you don't count federal dollars that are given to private industry and universities to fund research and development? You don't take into consideration all the tax incentives given to private industry (I think it was called corporate welfare)?
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    For those who are interested to know what all the Republicans plus the media will be saying to us during the SS fight....

    http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/...y_Playbook.pdf

    Regardless of what side you are on - it's gonna be an exciting fight to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larry91403
    I suppose you don't count federal dollars that are given to private industry and universities to fund research and development? You don't take into consideration all the tax incentives given to private industry (I think it was called corporate welfare)?
    No. Not when someone makes a statement saying Capitalism is not good for curing diseases. Federal funding and/or tax breaks are a far cry from State run health care. Capitalism gives freedom of creation and ideas. How many inventions or cures came from the former USSR? Cuba? North Vietnam/Korea? Other than Isreal, what has come from the Middle East?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    No. Not when someone makes a statement saying Capitalism is not good for curing diseases. Federal funding and/or tax breaks are a far cry from State run health care. Capitalism gives freedom of creation and ideas. How many inventions or cures came from the former USSR? Cuba? North Vietnam/Korea? Other than Isreal, what has come from the Middle East?
    I believe the U.S. success in biomedicine stems not only from having capitalism to deliver discoveries to the marketplace, but in generously funding basic research in the academic institutions in order to make those discoveries in the first place. Also, other factors in our educational system help a great deal. For example, U.S. scientists and physicians recieve a broad undergraduate training, taking classes that are not neccessarily geared to their ultimate career. This fosters a more broad thinking approach to problems, more creativity and thinking outside the box mentality that you need to make those important discoveries. Many other countries such as in europe and japan, do not have this broad undergraduate training requirement and I think it is to their detriment.

    Anyway bottom line, capitalism, federal funding and a good broad educational system, you can't discount any of these three if you want the US to maintain its edge in biomedicine.
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    For those of you who want to fight the government, all you need to do is learn the truth about income taxes. Here are the 3 places that have the most knowledge around the subject (IMO):
    • http://www.paynoincometax.com: Get Irwin Schiff's book The Federal Mafia... or, do you already know most everyone is not liable for income taxes?


    If you are interested in some other related articles, here are a few that I have links for at my site:
    • Tax Noncompliance on the Rise Among IRS Workers (http://www.webcpa.com/article.cfm?articleid=7812) - Hmmm.... I wonder why?
    • The Florida assistant attorney general and a noted legal specialist now acknowledge that the income tax system is based on fraud (http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/pr...004142057.html)
    • Has anyone ever considered stopping for a moment to really THINK and try to understand why the Wall Street Journal reports that just in California ALONE, the "latest list of suspected nonfilers for 2002 includes 865 millionaires... 6,756 lawyers, 1,458 certified public accountants, 22,769 contractors and 20,473 doctors, dentists, and other "medical professionals?" It later says: "Recently, officials said they sent out notices to more than 700,000 individuals in the past year, asking for tax returns for 2002. In the previous year, the state sent out 647,580 notices to nonfilers asking for returns for 2001." That means that, at minimum, at least 700,000 individuals in California ALONE know that they aren't liable, and the number continues to grow every year. (http://www.loveisearned.com/assets/N...Big%20Fish.pdf)
    Happy reading.

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