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  1. #21  
    and here's the real kicker, cell. can you guess what large majority resides in france?

    MUSLIMS!!
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    and by the way, you're so concerned with anti-muslim sentiments in america?.
    I am anti any kind of discrimination, regardless of which race, religion etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    what do you have to say for all of the HATE- AMERICA, HATE CHRISTIANS, HATE JEW propoganda being spread around inside US. mosques?!!

    huh? why don't you lecture THEM about being fair to US!!!

    the door swings BOTH ways, folks. if you don't want anti-muslim feelings going on, then you address the anti-american sentiments not only in europe, but inside US as well! let's be fair to EVERYONE here.
    I would tell them they should treat others like they want to be treated themselfs..
    also you are describing the radical muslim movement, from what I understand they are in a minority (but growing, which is worrysome) there are millions of peace loving muslims out there who get treated illy because of these radical people.
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  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    cellmatrix, here In nj, remember, this is where 9/11 affected everyone DIRECTLY.

    nearly everyone I know at least knew or met someone who was killed that day. so if your friend has been treated differently, you have to consider the fact that many wounds are still healing. and no matter how forgiving or tolerant you are, when you are SO CLOSE to something that horrific, trust and brotherhood just doesn't miraculously happen overnight. we are human. not perfect. so we are sometimes still influenced by emotions still swirling as a result of great loss - so its not surprising about your friend in nj.
    hey, do you honestly think that if some oklahoma city-like bombing happened in some other nation at the hand of some extreme american, that particular nation would be instantly willing to be 100% trusting with us?

    id say for the severity of what happened, despite noticing a difference in how he is treated, relatively speaking his situation is not NEARLY as bad as what it would be if you examine how the jews are being treated in france.

    look into that, cellmatrix
    <assuming this was adressed at me not cellmatrix>
    My point is that he is neither muslim, nor arab, he is a strong christian actually..
    I can understand that if you are a radical muslim in NY/NJ people treat you different...
    But just because he has dark skin, but not quite afro-american black people assume he is either a muslim or an arab (or both). This behaviour does not sound like a tolerant nation to me.. see my point?

    I can understand people are upset, heck most people are upset with what happened on 9-11..
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  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    and here's the real kicker, cell. can you guess what large majority resides in france?

    MUSLIMS!!
    interesting hey?
    This can mean a couple of things:
    -Muslims are extreme anti-semites
    -mr Sharon said those things to bring the muslim community in france in discredit, or even france itself for that matter..
    -anything inbetween those 2 extremes.

    I think the truth (like allways) lies in the middle.. probably a bit of both going on..
    I don't know any french jews and dont follow french news much, so can't really base an opinion on that..
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  5. #25  
    we`re intolerant, are we? is that why we are prosecuting those who abused prisoners in abu ghraib, because we are intolerant?

    is this why we are fighting for the religious equality in america every day so that no religion is imposed on anyone else - is this because we are intolerant?

    celebrating martin luther king day is intolerant?

    holding focus groups and counseling for instances such as these is a product of a intolerant nation?

    what you say is insulting. are you saying that in your country, there are no isolated instances such as these going on? every culture is treated in perfect harmony? is that truly human nature? do you think so? this is solely america`s problem and we are horribly intolerant?

    you know, in an ideal world, none of this happens. but come on now. how realistic is it to assume that some instances such as these do not occur from time to time?

    if there was such a rampant problem, you`d be hearing about it all over the news. you dont. so rather than magnify isolated cases into mass crises, lets stay centered on what this thread was based on....

    PERSPECTIVE!!!
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    what you say is insulting.
    Sorry to have insulted you, can you tell me what insulted you? That I denied you were one of the most tolerant countries?


    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    are you saying that in your country, there are no isolated instances such as these going on?
    Nope, but neither am I claiming to live in one of the most tolerant nations..

    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    his is solely america`s problem and we are horribly intolerant?
    Nope, it is human nature to like who is part of your 'clan' and dislike other clans..


    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    if there was such a rampant problem, you`d be hearing about it all over the news. you dont. so rather than magnify isolated cases into mass crises, lets stay centered on what this thread was based on....
    I never claimed it was rampant... please don't twist my words..
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  7. #27  
    "Nope, but neither am I claiming to live in one of the most tolerant nations"

    " do you honestly think that if some oklahoma city-like bombing happened in some other nation ( even if it was the most tolerant nation in the world ) at the hand of some extreme american, that particular nation would be instantly willing to be 100% trusting with us?"

    even the most tolerant nations have incidences from time to time.
    again, its always beneficial to stay in perspective.

    why? the well-known condition widely referred to as... human nature.
    Last edited by treobk214; 01/28/2005 at 01:02 PM.
  8. #28  
    "Originally Posted by treobk214
    nudist. put some clothes back on. you're scaring us!"
    I guess is human nature too... sorry but with remarks like that you don't win any tolerance awards.. (if you ment it as a joke at least use smilley..)

    Sure tolerant countries have incidents, I never denied the US is a tolerant country, just your 'one of the most' section strikes me as a bit bold..
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  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    "Originally Posted by treobk214
    nudist. put some clothes back on. you're scaring us!"
    I guess is human nature too... sorry but with remarks like that you don't win any tolerance awards.. (if you ment it as a joke at least use smilley..)

    Sure tolerant countries have incidents, I never denied the US is a tolerant country, just your 'one of the most' section strikes me as a bit bold..

    toolkit, let me introduce you to something we refer to as a sense of humor. a joke is meant to lighten the mood, bring a little fun into the situation, or you know, generally be simply playful.

    familiar with it?

    now tell me how a joke like that, which is only a harmless play on the username, mind you how can anyone see what they look like therefore make any judgements about what they look like and thus tolerate or not tolerate their appearance?

    maybe you need to watch a few episodes of benny hill or alli g to really grasp what im getting at here.

    how is an argument of tolerance tied in with a harmless joke?

    as far as being bold, i think your claim that i was intolerant simply due to a harmless attempt at humor was boldly inappropriate.

    looks like now you are really reaching here, actually
  10. #30  
    http://www.familyguidebook.com/netiquette.html
    "Since people cannot communicate sarcasm, teasing, humor or other emotions online (after all, typing is typing) netiquette has developed forced emotion indicators... They are called "smileys."
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  11. #31  
    please toolkit, seriously now, you need a smiley to let you know i was joking? come on. i know youre more perceptive than that.

    did you see a picture of nudist anywhere? do you think its possible for anyone to insult an image that doesnt exist? and how can nudist be insulted if nudist knows for a FACT that i cannot see what she looks like?

    isnt this argument quite ridiculous?

    heres a smiley for ya.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    please toolkit, seriously now, you need a smiley to let you know i was joking? come on. i know youre more perceptive than that.
    It can't hurt wouldnt you agree?
    I assumed you were joking, but I don't like to assume...
    What you ment as a harmless joke could be interpreted as not being tolerant towards nudists.. very easy to misinterpreted on the net, hence the smilleys..
    But you are right, we are getting too off topic, but I hope you get my drift..
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  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    It can't hurt wouldnt you agree?
    I assumed you were joking, but I don't like to assume...
    What you ment as a harmless joke could be interpreted as not being tolerant towards nudists.. very easy to misinterpreted on the net, hence the smilleys..
    But you are right, we are getting too off topic, but I hope you get my drift..

    and i hope you get mine when i say its a waste of time to make big deals out of nothing. i dont know of a single guy on earth who has EVER been intolerant to a nudist,, hence the obviousness that what i said was a joke.

    its ok to make big deals out of that which IS a big deal, but to try to fashion something out of nothing is nonsensical.

    the topic is on perspective, not about whether or not nudists are or arent tolerated. THAT to ME, toolkit, IS ALSO A JOKE.
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    cellmatrix, here In nj, remember, this is where 9/11 affected everyone DIRECTLY.

    nearly everyone I know at least knew or met someone who was killed that day. so if your friend has been treated differently, you have to consider the fact that many wounds are still healing. and no matter how forgiving or tolerant you are, when you are SO CLOSE to something that horrific, trust and brotherhood just doesn't miraculously happen overnight. we are human. not perfect. so we are sometimes still influenced by emotions still swirling as a result of great loss - so its not surprising about your friend in nj.
    hey, do you honestly think that if some oklahoma city-like bombing happened in some other nation at the hand of some extreme american, that particular nation would be instantly willing to be 100% trusting with us?

    id say for the severity of what happened, despite noticing a difference in how he is treated, relatively speaking his situation is not NEARLY as bad as what it would be if you examine how the jews are being treated in france.

    look into that, cellmatrix
    So if someone I know is hurt, then it excuses us to do what? sexually abuse prisoners? I am not sure what you are asking me?
  15. #35  
    cell, listen. if your friend is hurt. that is a tragedy. where did I say that was excusable?

    how do you get that I said that kind of behavior was excusable? where in your post before did you go into such explicit detail as to describe each and every horrible act delivered to the man?

    where was the information you provided there which would have allowed me to decide what was and wasn't excusable?

    its amazing how badly you yearn to make trouble with this particular subject.
    in addition, you are either totally missing my point, or are deliberately playing devil's advocate here and trying like hell to make an argument.
    I think I made myself pretty clear. now either you get it, or you simply choose to be difficult.

    please reread what I've said. I think your insinuations here will be addressed. what you claim im saying is completely wr
  16. #36  
    ....completely wrong.
  17. #37  
    and further, if that is how you interpret what I've said here, then that is your misconception. i dont know how you can assume abusing prisoners is excusable, but if thats how you choose to interpret it, thats your deal, ok?
    Last edited by treobk214; 01/28/2005 at 08:29 PM.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    cellmatrix, here In nj, remember, this is where 9/11 affected everyone DIRECTLY.

    nearly everyone I know at least knew or met someone who was killed that day. so if your friend has been treated differently, you have to consider the fact that many wounds are still healing. and no matter how forgiving or tolerant you are, when you are SO CLOSE to something that horrific, trust and brotherhood just doesn't miraculously happen overnight. we are human. not perfect. so we are sometimes still influenced by emotions still swirling as a result of great loss - so its not surprising about your friend in nj.
    hey, do you honestly think that if some oklahoma city-like bombing happened in some other nation at the hand of some extreme american, that particular nation would be instantly willing to be 100% trusting with us?

    id say for the severity of what happened, despite noticing a difference in how he is treated, relatively speaking his situation is not NEARLY as bad as what it would be if you examine how the jews are being treated in france.

    look into that, cellmatrix
    I guess your basic misconception here is that you think I had a friend in new jersy who had a loss. I am not sure where you got that , but I think you are confusing me with someone else.
  19. #39  
    who on first? the guy on second. no he stole third? who second? no first? how did you get that misconception? you mean tony concepcion?

    he played first for the concinnati reds, cell.
  20. #40  
    "Don't know if your non-wasp fellow country-men agree with you on that..

    My indian collegue who lives in NJ was telling me that people are definately treating him different after 9-11 (think he is a arab muslim prob. ) "

    - toolkit

    I stand corrected, cellmatrix. toolkit had a friend apparently in such a situation.

    however your hinted that somehow I said that abuse was excusable - and that's utterly wrong. Im not sure how you can derive that out of what was said.

    Also I've seen some remarks here that
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