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    Howdy...

    Regarding the Tusnami...

    I appreciate everyone's views on this, but I must say that as horrifying as this event has been, what's more horrifying to me is the fact that it gets SO much attention when entirely preventable and LARGER scale episodes of human suffering go fairly unnoticed by every day people and mainstream media...

    For instance, HUNDREDS of thousans of deaths in the SUDAN, all entirely preventable...

    HUNDRESDS of thousands of deaths in Africa from Malaria, all entirely preventable...

    HUNDREDS of thousands of deaths from AIDS in Africa, mostly preventable

    Massive starvation in N. Korea. Totally preventable...

    I feel terrible for the families who have lost loved ones in this current tsunami affair, but I wish that we humans could show the same outrage over the preventable and unnecessary deaths happening all around us, rather than just the unpreventable acts of God such as this one...

    Anyways, again, I don't mean to make light or belittle this event in any way, but I thank God I live in the USA, and I am sickened by the amount of preventable human misery in other parts of the world...

    Merely my 2 cents...

    - Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben1000
    Howdy...

    Regarding the Tusnami...

    I appreciate everyone's views on this, but I must say that as horrifying as this event has been, what's more horrifying to me is the fact that it gets SO much attention when entirely preventable and LARGER scale episodes of human suffering go fairly unnoticed by every day people and mainstream media (......)

    Anyways, again, I don't mean to make light or belittle this event in any way, but I thank God I live in the USA, and I am sickened by the amount of preventable human misery in other parts of the world...

    Merely my 2 cents...

    - Ben
    I agree with you that we humans tend to focus much more on short-term catastrophic events than on everyday tragedy, leading to wrong and harmful decisions on where to focus resources and change things.

    However, I think your definition of "preventable" is a bit arbitrary. Preventing malaria is certainly not an easy task, probably the most difficult on your list. More difficult to prevent than AIDS for instance, and also the prevention of AIDS is a very difficult task under the prevailing circumstances.

    And why should the tsunami casualties not be preventable? Given appropriate monitoring (as it is done in the Pacific) and investments into measures to warn the people living in the region where the next tsunami will hit, most casualties could be prevented - at least in theory.

    Or take earthquakes: victims can be prevented to a large extent by using appropriate building technologies - if you are willing to invest into that, or abandon California, for instance... "preventable" and "not preventable" is difficult to tell apart.


    P.S.: "Act of god" is a strange expression, isn't it?
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
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    I'll agree and disagree...

    Malaria is COMPLETELY preventable with DDT, but because it was banned by the UN (after we in the west used it and wiped Maliria out), it isnt' usd. DDT would eradicate death due to malaria in Africa, as it did here.

    AIDS is probably the most preventable of all. Don't have promiscious sex, and you probably won't get it. There will still be some (due to IV drug use, etc), but it's entirely preventable with a change in behavior.

    I agree with you that Tsunami deaths are preventable with early warning systems (interesting that author Arthur C Clarke lives in Sri Lanka, and has been working on a tsunami warning system for a while). The distinction I was making was between acts of God that cause suffereing (ie. tsunami) and human acts that cause suffering (ie. banning DDT)...

    Again, only my 2 cents...

    Regards,

    Ben

    PS: I think act of God basically has come to mean anything that happens that is unpredicatable and/or unstoppable by man...



    I do agree that the tsunami deaths are preventable with monitoring systems, etc...,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben1000
    I'll agree and disagree...

    Malaria is COMPLETELY preventable with DDT, but because it was banned by the UN (after we in the west used it and wiped Maliria out), it isnt' usd. DDT would eradicate death due to malaria in Africa, as it did here.
    Hehe, I was going to say the same thing you did. Amazing, putting DDT in sleeping nets is at least with what we know now, not dangerous. Heck, it would have to have a monstrous danger to offset the reduction in malaria. People should remember that each malaria vector you eliminate could save numerous lives.
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    Having lived in a country where malaria is a huge killer, I can assure you it is not that easy with DDT.

    First, it is not true that DDT is banned in developing countries. Its use is still widespread there. However, the effectiveness is limited because of the application is not well organized and not continuous. If you think it is easy to organize and run something e.g. in Africa, feel free to go ahead and prove it...

    In addition, the mosquitos develop resistance against DDT much faster in the tropics than in a temperate climate because of their continuous life cycle there (no winter). So even under well-organized conditions, success from use of DDT would be much smaller, and the fact that DDT helped eradicating malaria in non-tropical countries does not indicate the same would work in the tropics.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup

    P.S.: "Act of god" is a strange expression, isn't it?
    You should check out the movie 'the man who sued god'
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    If I recall, it isn't that DDT is banned, but that no Western entity will/can donate it.

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