Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 62
  1. #21  
    If the corporate audit cops have already blocked adult content and ebay, then your traffic is probably being filtered through a proxy or router that logs all it's traffic anyway. Just because your computer doesn't have the evidence doesn't mean you don't leave tracks.

    As far as misuse goes, does that computer/network/internet access belong to your employer? Then it's misuse. It's just like trying to justify speeding because everyone else is doing it. You're still speeding.

    c
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by Alli
    Let's see....in the classroom at 6:30 a.m., 20 minutes for lunch, out the door at 4:30-5, depending on how many students stay for help, makeup work, or the conversation they should be having with a parent if they had a parent. Maybe you get your prep/planning period, maybe you don't cause of the teacher down the hall who was sick so you have to cover her class, or the fight in the cafeteria/parking lot requiring police/baby sitting duty. Summers? Oh, you mean the time when teachers have to attend classes to stay certified (at their own expense, of course), sit on curriculum/textbook committees, and do professional development. The summer before last I had two full weeks of summer vacation.

    What's the old saying about not judging someone until you've walked the mile in his shoes?
    Thanks you!
    You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing.
    -Michael Pritchard
  3. #23  
    Off topic-sorry: I have to agree with Alli. A teaching salary is not bad if you figure you get three months off, but you don't really. You go in much earlier than most office-type jobs and I usually stay as late or later than my friends in the business world. Weekends are usually spent doing some school-related event or grading papers. This is a choice because you love it and you love the difference you can make. NOT because you want to get rich or work few hours. By the way, Im on this site today b/c I finished my grades early and I actually got to play online today!
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by Oops
    Excuse me? Do teachers get paid for hours of grading at home? For hours of conferences with parents and endless phone calls? For eating lunch with students? For forfeiting prep time due to emergency calls?
    Ohhh...excuse me. I must have been referring to college professors who never show up for class and use teaching assistants
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by Alli
    Let's see....in the classroom at 6:30 a.m., 20 minutes for lunch, out the door at 4:30-5, depending on how many students stay for help, makeup work, or the conversation they should be having with a parent if they had a parent. Maybe you get your prep/planning period, maybe you don't cause of the teacher down the hall who was sick so you have to cover her class, or the fight in the cafeteria/parking lot requiring police/baby sitting duty. Summers? Oh, you mean the time when teachers have to attend classes to stay certified (at their own expense, of course), sit on curriculum/textbook committees, and do professional development. The summer before last I had two full weeks of summer vacation.

    What's the old saying about not judging someone until you've walked the mile in his shoes?
    Alli,

    My comment was not intended to belittle or judge the teaching proffession. I have no doubt that the teachers who are really proffessionals spent a fair amount of time researching and so forth to better themselves. Just like any proffession, some excel and others get by.

    My point was that I don't subscribe to the "oh those poor teachers" theory either. Thier job is no better or no worse than any other. The majority of the working class don't get even the 2 weeks vacation that you had.
  6. #26  
    No, Ooops, thank YOU.

    I dunno, sxtg...most of my friends with "normal" jobs get 4 weeks of paid vacation/year. They are not required to do the work they missed those days in addition to the regular day's work on their return either. (I don't miss days if I can help it. Too much trouble getting a sub.) I don't know of another profession where your bathroom breaks are limited either - god forbid you leave children unattended for 3 minutes! And my latest favorite...how many office workers do you know have to pack up all their own stuff once a year, move the boxes, then unpack it all in less than a day? (Just in case you're not reassigned to the same office, of course.)

    </soapbox>

    I understand you were just generalizing, and there are poor teachers in every school. But there are poor doctors in every hospital, poor cooks in every restaurant, and poor accountants in every accounting firm. Nobody ever generalizes about them. Time to lay off teachers.
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by Alli
    I understand you were just generalizing, and there are poor teachers in every school. But there are poor doctors in every hospital, poor cooks in every restaurant, and poor accountants in every accounting firm. Nobody ever generalizes about them. Time to lay off teachers.

    Truth be told Doctors are the only proffession in which I consitantly complain about!

    I cant stand thier blatant disregard for anyones time but thier own!

    They purposefully double schedule to compensate for cancellations in order to reduce lost time. All at the expense of my time. Ironically enough if those said cancellations are not cancelled with enough notice to refill the time slot, that patient is billed anyway.

    I HATE THAT!
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    sxtg, Try convincing me that teachers are not underpaid. No whining is necessary to point out the obvious (at least to us, teachers): Lawyers can make $400 an hour off ONE client; teachers have 150 "clients" per day and make a fraction of that. You can now add plumbers, electricians, doctors, etc. to this list and ask yourself: How many of them are confronted by (often, but not always) angry, rude, loud and/or obnoxious teens on their jobs? How many of them have parents bursting into the office with some demands that are outrageously unfair and biased?
    Surly most jobs are stressful. And most jobs are done by professionals very well. But teachers are underpaid for what they do.

    If it sucks sooooooo bad.... Why do you do it? Is it cuz somebodys gotta?

    Doctors laywers plumbers and electricians alike, who make anywhere near $400 dollars/hr, ALL go out and solicit jobs and so are paid by the merits of thier production. I am quite sure that there are teachers in this country who also have private pratices that make $400 dollars an hour.

    If that is your goal then I suggest you assume all of the risk involved in having a private pratice and go for it!
  9. #29  
    I edited my post please re read it.
  10. #30  
    Tell me about an EmployEE level lawyer that makes anywhere near $400 per hr. They do not exist.
  11. #31  
    Doctors pay more than the average salary just for malpratice insurance. Don't you think the gain should at least equal the risk?
  12. #32  
    All of us think we are underpaid for our services yet most people complain they pay too much for the service of others. Kinda biased don't ya think?

    When was the last time you felt like the plumbers bill was a little too low? When you get bids for projects do you encourage a little bump on the labor side?

    Now having said that there are a couple of things you should know about me.

    I was raised in an extremely low income environment and know all to well about the issues of public school and the lack of supplies and so forth. There were several times that my supplies came from my teachers own pockets. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the quality teachers who sincerly try to make a difference. It is because of this that every teacher my son has had, have always known that I have a blank check ready whenever the needs of such children or activities arise.
  13. #33  
    Interestingly enough its rare that they ask. So every few months I just drop stuff off, becuase I know there has to be a couple of kids who are just making do with what they have.

    So while I don't think teachers are overpaid I also don't believe they are anymore underpaid than the average employee.

    Not all teachers are underpaid simply because they are teachers!
    Last edited by sxtg; 12/15/2004 at 11:36 PM.
  14. #34  
    My parents are both public school teachers... in a few years I will make less than they do and pay 2x's what the BOTH made just for malpractice insurance. Someone said it earlier... no one ever thinks they make enough.

    I guess, as long as you're happy with your self/life/etc you wouldn't have to worry about that.

    You know... maybe it's just these damn taxes. Here's to a consumption tax - well, that and all the beer I had to drink tonight.
    Avatars.... <hrumpphh> I guess, since all the cool kids are doing it.
  15. #35  
    My parents are both public school teachers... in a few years I will make less than they do and pay 2x's what the BOTH made just for malpractice insurance. Someone said it earlier... no one ever thinks they make enough.

    I guess, as long as you're happy with your self/life/etc you wouldn't have to worry about that.

    You know... maybe it's just these damn taxes. Here's to a consumption tax - well, that and all the beer I had to drink tonight.
    Avatars.... <hrumpphh> I guess, since all the cool kids are doing it.
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by controller
    If the corporate audit cops have already blocked adult content and ebay, then your traffic is probably being filtered through a proxy or router that logs all it's traffic anyway. Just because your computer doesn't have the evidence doesn't mean you don't leave tracks.
    Very true indeed!
    <IMG WIDTH="200" HEIGHT="50" SRC=http://www.visorcentral.com/images/visorcentral.gif> (ex)VisorCentral Discussion Moderator
    Do files get embarrassed when they get unzipped?
  17. #37  
    Plumbers bill too low? Aint gonna happen.
    Last time I paid a plumber to do anything in my house he had his apprentice come in and watch him work and then he charged me $40. an hour for himself AND his apprentice. So I end up paying for TWO people when one is in training and not even doing the work. Then the guy puts stickers advertising him business on the furnace and hot water heater as if I would ever call him back again.
    It cost as much for me to add a drop from the gas line straight down to my dryer as it cost me to buy the dryer.

    I do all my own plumbing now. If I do not have time to get it done then it must be a project that can wait.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Ohhh...excuse me. I must have been referring to college professors who never show up for class and use teaching assistants
    LOL I will be the last person to defend them....
    You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing.
    -Michael Pritchard
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    Nicely said Thanks!
    Ditto.
    You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing.
    -Michael Pritchard
  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    sxtg, Try convincing me that teachers are not underpaid. No whining is necessary to point out the obvious (at least to us, teachers): Lawyers can make $400 an hour off ONE client; teachers have 150 "clients" per day and make a fraction of that. You can now add plumbers, electricians, doctors, etc. to this list and ask yourself: How many of them are confronted by (often, but not always) angry, rude, loud and/or obnoxious teens on their jobs? How many of them have parents bursting into the office with some demands that are outrageously unfair and biased?
    Surly most jobs are stressful. And most jobs are done by professionals very well. But teachers are underpaid for what they do.
    And yes, I love my job!
    Teachers are underpaid, imo. My dad taught for 30 years back when tenure was something you earn. He was underpaid then, and they are underpaid now.

    Having actively volunteered at my daughter's schools since she was in Kindergarten, I can tell you the teachers do it because they love it. I also think that many parents have a distorted view of what a teacher should do. No longer is it about reading, writing and arithmetic. Now the parents expect them to be babysitters, help them with their homework, teach them values and enforce discipline when they (parents) can take away the accountability by moaning and complaining about the teacher.

    Everyone complains about the fact that the education system (at least here in FL) is not what they want, but God forbid if taxes have to be raised to pay for it. You can't have it both ways. Personally, I think we should gladly and willingly pay our teachers what they truly deserve ... they are one of the few professions that do it for the love of what they do, not the money.

    One day I'm going to win Lotto, get my certificate and go teach!

    Of course that means I'm going to have give up my profession and it's $200/hr billing rate, but it'll be worth it.
    << My command as we escape Palm HQ with a new Pre 3>>.

    Treo 300 >> Treo 600 >> Treo 650 >> Treo 755 >> Instinct >> Pre- >> TouchPad
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions