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    For all those out there that questioned the Bush administration for taking action in Iraq despite the lack of the UN's support (particularly Kofi Annan), hopefully this article clears up why they didnt support an Iraqi invasion. Quite frankly, they were making tens of millions of dollars off of Saddam being in power...

    UN staff ready historic no-confidence vote in Annan
    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...n_041119115027

    -G
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    Time for the UN to pack up and move to Paris
    Well behaved women rarely make history
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    I remember when Giuliani tried to kick them out of NY. I think they should continue to stay in NYC, just make sure they pay their parking tickets. As for the Kofi Annan...he could have done more during the ethnic cleansing in the Sudan. Big blow for the U.N.
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    like I've always said here, you don't put your national security interests in with foreign nations who really don't give a rat's behind about you, although they feign such interest in your wellbeing.

    and what a nightmare if kerry got in and threw our security into the hands of kofi annan and all the nations who were accomplices to the paid off corruption of saddam hussein, the oil for food scam (which kofi annan's son was all entangled in) etc

    its what the liberals don't get - that world friendship and cooperation would be nice and peachy in an ideal world, but it just doesn't happen in reality.

    money talks. the un supports tyrant dictators and corrupted backward nations.

    its stands by while sudan, somalia, and other nations positively slaughter each other by the thousands.

    it turns its head from murderers so long as they are getting the paycheck from these murderers.
    it's in on the whole oil for food scam yet feigns this "fight for the greater good" bullcrap.

    its all bullcrap. the un and hypocrites like them are the boils of humanity.

    thankgod kerry didn't win, bc THIS was the type of business america would be in bed with - FURTHER burying us in these claims that america is a nation corrupted.

    don't people get it?! aligning oneself with false foreign groups like the un only condemns us to never ending corruption. and liberals claim BUSH is corrupt?!

    HA! nauseating. I love how libs claim we should have aligned with the UN before the iraq war.. LOOK WHAT THEIR ALL ABOUT!!!
    LOOK AT WHAT THEYVE ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT!

    Thank goodness bush won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    like I've always said here, you don't put your national security interests in with foreign nations who really don't give a rat's behind about you, although they feign such interest in your wellbeing.
    like Saudi Arabia?
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    saudi arabia is not sitting in a council determining our proper course of action in how we defend ourselves. they do not tell us if we should or shouldn't do anything about corrupt dictators claiming oil for food while they hoard the riches for themselves and torture others in the process. the un did this. the un should almost be ignored now for the exposure of their true interests and character.
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    saudi arabia is no nation of saints. don't get me wrong. but we are not letting them decide our next move - this is my point.
    if we play un, we will have the wool pulled over our eyes as they take money from the world's enemies yet tell you to your face they are your friends.

    with friends like that, who needs enemies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    saudi arabia is no nation of saints. don't get me wrong. but we are not letting them decide our next move - this is my point.
    Sure we are... Don't they decide how many barrels of oil get processed each day, which is all that bush cares about?
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    typical. don't pay attention to the millions of dollars bush has put towards developing alternative fuel technology - just keep repeating the same old democrat stereotypes - im sure that'll get ya somewhere.

    and don't pay attention to the fact that bush tried to tap into oil reserves in alaska, but liberals and environmentalists opposed that, thereby forcing us to continue our association with the saudis.

    nah, don't mind the facts, dems, just keep living by the spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    typical. don't pay attention to the millions of dollars bush has put towards developing alternative fuel technology - just keep repeating the same old democrat stereotypes - im sure that'll get ya somewhere.

    and don't pay attention to the fact that bush tried to tap into oil reserves in alaska, but liberals and environmentalists opposed that, thereby forcing us to continue our association with the saudis.

    nah, don't mind the facts, dems, just keep living by the spin.
    chill man. I was being sarcastic.
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    Wasnt "Oil For Food" just ANOTHER....of Clinton's "successful" ideas!
    Well behaved women rarely make history
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    Sorry guys. But Bush, the UN, Saudi, etc.... Is not the answer. No man made gov is. It wil just countine the same endless cycle. Lying, bribes etc.... all for MONEY. While they lie and say it is for us.
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    for some reason, I don't see repubs in the headlines for depravity the way dems are.

    all throughout history.

    its just the way it is.
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    We only see what we want.
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    I don't see ted kennedy or gary condit types in the republican party.

    I don't see jim mcgreevey types in the republican party jeopardizing the state's very security by appointing his gay lover to the position of state security EVEN AFTER 9/11 !!!!!!!

    I don't see grey davis types in the republican party driving their states into utter bankruptcies and energy crises and eventually being trounced out of office EARLY because they were SO EMBARRASSINGLY HORRIBLE at their jobs.

    I don't see al sharpton or jesse jackson types in the republican parties - these people are clowns - absolute carnival circus acts.

    the list goes on and on.

    we see what we want to see?
    no, I choose to see what IS REALLY GOING ON, instead of denying its there, or overlooking what is there right in front of you.
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    Each party has is own faults. Don't forget Richard Nixon (Impeached for breaking the law), Newt Gingrich (started the current hatred), Evan Mecham (Impeached Governor of Arizona), Fife Symington (Indicted former Governor of Arizona), and Tom DeLay (soon to be indicted).
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    for some reason, I don't see repubs in the headlines for depravity the way dems are.

    all throughout history.

    its just the way it is.
    So are you too young to remember the Iran-Contra scandal where members of the US government sold arms to an embargoed country in order to fund a terrorist organisation? It wasn't even 10 years ago! Iran Contra

    Summary of findings:
    the Iran operations were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, and national security advisers Robert C. McFarlane and John M. Poindexter; of these officials, only Weinberger and Shultz dissented from the policy decision, and Weinberger eventually acquiesced by ordering the Department of Defense to provide the necessary arms; and large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials.

    following the revelation of these operations in October and November 1986, Reagan Administration officials deliberately deceived the Congress and the public about the level and extent of official knowledge of and support for these operations.

    Prosecutions

    In the course of Independent Counsel's investigation, 14 persons were charged with criminal violations. There were two broad classes of crimes charged: Operational crimes, which largely concerned the illegal use of funds generated in the course of the operations, and "cover-up" crimes, which largely concerned false statements and obstructions after the revelation of the operations. Independent Counsel did not charge violations of the Arms Export Control Act or Boland Amendment. Although apparent violations of these statutes provided the impetus for the cover-up, they are not criminal statutes and do not contain any enforcement provisions.

    All of the individuals charged were convicted, except for one CIA official whose case was dismissed on national security grounds and two officials who received unprecedented pre-trial pardons by President Bush following his electoral defeat in 1992. Two of the convictions were reversed on appeal on constitutional grounds that in no way cast doubt on the factual guilt of the men convicted. The individuals charged and the disposition of their cases are:

    (1) Robert C. McFarlane: pleaded guilty to four counts of withholding information from Congress;

    (2) Oliver L. North: convicted of altering and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress; conviction reversed on appeal;

    (3) John M. Poindexter: convicted of conspiracy, false statements, destruction and removal of records, and obstruction of Congress; conviction reversed on appeal;

    (4) Richard V. Secord: pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress;

    (5) Albert Hakim: pleaded guilty to supplementing the salary of North;

    (6) Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

    (7) Carl R. Channell: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States;

    (8) Richard R. Miller: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States;

    (9) Clair E. George: convicted of false statements and perjury before Congress;

    (10) Duane R. Clarridge: indicted on seven counts of perjury and false statements; pardoned before trial by President Bush;

    (11) Alan D. Fiers, Jr.: pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress;

    (12) Joseph F. Fernandez: indicted on four counts of obstruction and false statements; case dismissed when Attorney General Richard L. Thornburgh refused to declassify information needed for his defense;

    (13) Elliott Abrams: pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress;

    (14) Caspar W. Weinberger: charged with four counts of false statements and perjury; pardoned before trial by President Bush.

    At the time President Bush pardoned Weinberger and Clarridge, he also pardoned George, Fiers, Abrams, and McFarlane.

    In addition, Independent Counsel concluded that the off-the-books nature of the Iran and contra operations gave line-level personnel the opportunity to commit money crimes.
    Last edited by Expat; 11/20/2004 at 04:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214

    we see what we want to see?
    no, I choose to see what IS REALLY GOING ON, instead of denying its there, or overlooking what is there right in front of you.
    This is so true yet you can't see how it applies to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    for some reason, I don't see repubs in the headlines for depravity the way dems are.

    all throughout history.

    its just the way it is.
    Here's a headline for you http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...nce/index.html
    I feel safer already.....
    Last edited by LewisL77; 11/20/2004 at 10:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    So are you too young to remember the Iran-Contra scandal where members of the US government sold arms to an embargoed country in order to fund a terrorist organisation? It wasn't even 10 years ago! Iran Contra

    Summary of findings:
    the Iran operations were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, and national security advisers Robert C. McFarlane and John M. Poindexter; of these officials, only Weinberger and Shultz dissented from the policy decision, and Weinberger eventually acquiesced by ordering the Department of Defense to provide the necessary arms; and large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials.

    following the revelation of these operations in October and November 1986, Reagan Administration officials deliberately deceived the Congress and the public about the level and extent of official knowledge of and support for these operations.

    Prosecutions

    In the course of Independent Counsel's investigation, 14 persons were charged with criminal violations. There were two broad classes of crimes charged: Operational crimes, which largely concerned the illegal use of funds generated in the course of the operations, and "cover-up" crimes, which largely concerned false statements and obstructions after the revelation of the operations. Independent Counsel did not charge violations of the Arms Export Control Act or Boland Amendment. Although apparent violations of these statutes provided the impetus for the cover-up, they are not criminal statutes and do not contain any enforcement provisions.

    All of the individuals charged were convicted, except for one CIA official whose case was dismissed on national security grounds and two officials who received unprecedented pre-trial pardons by President Bush following his electoral defeat in 1992. Two of the convictions were reversed on appeal on constitutional grounds that in no way cast doubt on the factual guilt of the men convicted. The individuals charged and the disposition of their cases are:

    (1) Robert C. McFarlane: pleaded guilty to four counts of withholding information from Congress;

    (2) Oliver L. North: convicted of altering and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress; conviction reversed on appeal;

    (3) John M. Poindexter: convicted of conspiracy, false statements, destruction and removal of records, and obstruction of Congress; conviction reversed on appeal;

    (4) Richard V. Secord: pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress;

    (5) Albert Hakim: pleaded guilty to supplementing the salary of North;

    (6) Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

    (7) Carl R. Channell: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States;

    (8) Richard R. Miller: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States;

    (9) Clair E. George: convicted of false statements and perjury before Congress;

    (10) Duane R. Clarridge: indicted on seven counts of perjury and false statements; pardoned before trial by President Bush;

    (11) Alan D. Fiers, Jr.: pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress;

    (12) Joseph F. Fernandez: indicted on four counts of obstruction and false statements; case dismissed when Attorney General Richard L. Thornburgh refused to declassify information needed for his defense;

    (13) Elliott Abrams: pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress;

    (14) Caspar W. Weinberger: charged with four counts of false statements and perjury; pardoned before trial by President Bush.

    At the time President Bush pardoned Weinberger and Clarridge, he also pardoned George, Fiers, Abrams, and McFarlane.

    In addition, Independent Counsel concluded that the off-the-books nature of the Iran and contra operations gave line-level personnel the opportunity to commit money crimes.

    those republicans for sure were guilty of corruption. no doubt.
    but what i want to get across to you is the fact that there are democrats guilty of a form of corruption much worse than these crimes.... MURDER!

    yet they do not stand trial for these crimes nor go unopposed or unquestioned in their positions where they represent the common man and choose the party`s future leaders...ie. TED KENNEDY, GARY CONDIT.

    these are inexcusable people, yet you seem to sweep all that under the rug and let a person like this decide whose character is best fit to lead a country?

    this is astonishing how people like this are allowed to hold office! ted kennedy belongs in either jail or an AA clinic. same goes for condit.

    now whats interesting, is that while youve listed those republicans being found guilty of fraud and the like and doing time for it, your poster boys kennedy and condit walk among us without even a slap on the hand?

    how hypocritical! this is murder we are talking about, not only fraud, tax evasion, etc. those crimes make the others look like childs play, yet kennedy and condit are patted on the back as you watch them tout your party leaders?

    how do you rationalize this among your party? do you trust kennedy with your future even though you know he willfully disposed of someone else`s years ago?

    the repubs did have their share of crimes, but the crimes characteristic in the democratic party are much more devious, cold-blooded, and despicable in nature. i havent read about a republican committing a crime like kennedy or condit at all, so while both parties have their share of corruption, the democratic party seems to spare no expense in regard to how FAR they push the envelope.
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