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    So I've lived here for a while and I thought I understood the general sentiments/concerns/politics of America but after the result of the election I read an article about the differences between California and the rest of the USA and it made a point that really struck home: California is different from the rest of the USA.
    So if you voted for Bush please can you tell me why, was it something specific (tax cuts, religious views etc.)/general policy (war on terror etc.)/something undefined (liked him more etc.) and which state you are from?
    In the interests of full disclosure:
    I'm from the UK, I can't vote yet but would have voted for Kerry, I'm really interested in a reasoned discussion rather than the shouting matches that a lot of the political threads degenerate into.
    Thanks
    Ian
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    this will be great fun.

    Welcome to the US Ian.

    I live in Washington but am originally from Montana. Come to the northwest some time. It's very pretty country.

    I voted for Bush because:
    I am a lifelong Republican, only crossed the aisle one time and came right back.
    I believe in personal responsibility and not living off the governments handouts.
    I prefer a candidate who is focused and willing to be unpopular to get the job done. I would not want a President that was always trying to please everyone.
    I like lower taxes.
    I think governments job is to protect me, not provide me with every little thing I need.
    I am not a fan of paying for social programs that encourage people to do nothing but sponge off the government and not care for themselves.
    Kerry was just not a good choice. Bush may not be the best, but he was better.
    I want someone who supports our troops. I have family in Iraq.

    I am sure there are more but I think that is a good start.
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    1) TAXES: Will simplify the overly-complicated and burdensome tax code, perhaps by replacing the income tax with a national sales tax, among other improvements. Taxes will likely decline as a result, but the simplified code will result in higher revenues for the gov't (see Russia). Kerry was going to raise taxes and would certainly not have revamped the current tax code.

    2) SOCIAL SECURITY: Instead of continuing the failing current system designed for the Great Depression, will finally start allowing workers to save their own money instead of just paying for current retirees. Kerry was deadset againt allowing workers to save their own money and would have preserved the current system.

    3) SUPREME COURT: He'll appoint justices who will interpret the Constitution, instead of override the will of the voters by imposing a liberal vision. Kerry would have appointed liberal activists who would have promoted their world vision instead of interpreting the Constitution.

    4) PRO-BUSINESS: Bush's policies towards industry tend to promote growth that will benefit the economy and therefore workers. Kerry and the Democrats tend to prefer more regulation and higher taxes as solutions, whereas Bush looks to industry and market-based solutions to problems.

    5) SOCIAL ISSUES: Bush has the right positions on both gay marriage and abortion. Kerry does not. I don't even know if Kerry himself knows where Kerry stands.

    Those are the main reasons..
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    It's not so much that Bush's platform was accepted it's that Kerry's liberal platform was rejected. I voted for Bush because I am a conservative person who wants a conservative leader.
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    Hmm- I don’t know if I should stick my neck out on this one- LOL. Oh well…. I think for me- it’s about values, fiscal issues, and strong leadership. I don’t care for Big Government, I don’t need handouts. He doesn’t waver; he has conviction of what he believes. It’s also about low unemployment rates, lower taxes, highest home ownership to record, low interest rates, no terrorist attacks, some of the fastest growth in the economy in 20 years. Over 500,000 tons of explosives in Iraq and they didn’t think he was a threat? Explosives that are made to detonate nuclear weapons? Yes, I think we should be there. I think as a country we are more conservative or maybe I should say moderate on our values and ideas. Moderates always tend to win here. Kerry- was too far on the left and that scares people. It may take you a few years to learn that we are very different on what is important to the US as opposed to other countries. But then again maybe you already have a grasp on it. We are a divided county on what we believe is the correct type of government to have. Me personally- I don’t need some big government taking my money and putting it where they want to. “You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor” . Oh yeah- for some reason Teresa Kerry- she scared the hell out of me. She acts like a Bull in a china shop. I am not afraid of women who are powerful. But I don't care for one who does not seem to be classy. I believe in the gov working for the people, not the people working for the gov. I believe in the strength of the individual and his rights. The democrats get strength with their programs and handouts. They want you to feel that your paycheck is their money and not your own.
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    I'm from the UK, I can't vote yet but would have voted for Kerry, I'm really interested in a reasoned discussion rather than the shouting matches that a lot of the political threads degenerate into.
    Thanks
    Ian[/QUOTE]


    You want a reasoned discussion, yet you have a aviatar that calls W a Moron??


    W, Still the President
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjidoggie


    You want a reasoned discussion, yet you have a aviatar that calls W a Moron??


    W, Still the President

    Good point.
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    I had lots of reasons but the 3 main reasons were...

    1. The war on terror is real, GW has done exactly what I think he should have done, and the worst thing we could have done was to change out our administration in the middle of a war at perhaps the most critical time in Iraq with elections being held in January.

    2. Considering all that has happened in the last 4 years, our economy is strong. I think our economy for the most part has a mind of it's own without regard as to who is in the white house. The president can however influence trends by his attitude and ability to invigorate the people. GW did just that with his decisive actions after 9/11 and positive attitude through the worst of times. I am better off today than I was 4 years ago in-spite of of 9/11 and 2 wars.

    3. I am a Vietnam war veteran who has painful memory of John Kerry's act in the early 70s. Quite frankly I could not vote for John Kerry in any election because he lost every ounce of my respect as an American 30 years ago and has done nothing since to regain it. To the contrary his record in the senate and the way he campaigned for the Presidency has given me even less reason to trust him today. In my opinion he does not deserve to hold any public office in our country.
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    Whoops- if you couldn't tell- from Arizona- But born and lived most of my life in Chicago. One more thing- If you look at they way the country voted it was pretty conservative. Look at many of the ballots- 11 for a law about making/confirming marriage was between a man and woman. The 2 of the 3 pro- marijuana laws went nowhere, and in Arizona a controversial law about illegal aliens rights was passed. Add this with the election of republicans in the Senate and the House. I guess we are a lot more socially conservative then Hollywood, the Dems and Bruce think we are.
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    Well, hold on. You guys were off to a good start there. Let's skip the avatar and continue. I think I'm as curious as expat on this one.

    And to all the democrats out there, let's let the Bush voters speak. Hold your comments and snide remarks. I really want to gain some understanding here, as I've been having a bit of trouble this week feeling at one with my fellow countrymen.

    I think in the end, we stand to learn that we're not all that different from each other in what we want from a president. We only differ in WHO we think is better able to give us what we want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjidoggie
    I'm from the UK, I can't vote yet but would have voted for Kerry, I'm really interested in a reasoned discussion rather than the shouting matches that a lot of the political threads degenerate into.
    Thanks
    Ian

    You want a reasoned discussion, yet you have a aviatar that calls W a Moron??


    W, Still the President
    I've not tried to hide my views, I've not claimed to be objective, that's what I think (I also have a similarly low view of Tony Blair) but I want to try and understand the other side.
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    Your aviatar is very revealing, not only of your bias, but most of the left wing of the demo party which was a big reason Kerry lost...lets not kid ourselves, Kerry LOST the election as much as Bush won it. The attitude that the left wing (OK, I'll call em liberals, hey thats what they are) of the Dem party is that they are much smarter than the lowly republicans / conservatives, and this blinds them to what is important to many (most) americans (I grew up in NYC and have seen first hand the superiority attitude). As long as they have this attitude they will never win. The core democrats need to retake thier party and they will have a chance.
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    BTW, I hope the liberals keep thinking Kerry lost it was becasue of the religious right and all those"nuts". If they do we won't have to worry about the democrats making the changes needed to be more viable. You might not agree with him, but Zell Miller (democrat senator from GA, that supported Bush)called this election and the problems the dems were going to have. Read what Zell Miller has said the last few months about the problems with the democratic party, I think it will give great insight as to why Kerry lost...
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    I have been a conservative all my life (60 yrs) and basically agree with everything said above. @n addition, I am appalled that Kerry got as many votes as he did wheb he never clearly stated his position. For instance, even though he voted for before he voted against the war in Iraq, to me I think he loudly and clearly said that what the President and the Military are currently doing is wrong and things are currently going bad. I do not think he ever flip flopped on this....... but I never heard him say what he would have done differently or what he would do differently. The insurgents are not going away if the French and German troops sshow up next week.
    I am sorry for getting a bit off topic, but for as clear (in his butchered english) as GW was about the details of the issues, Kerry was not.
    Curt

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    I won't rehash many of the reasons stated above relating to conservatism, values, and trust, which I agree with.

    An additional reason for me is this: Sometime within the next 30 years, there is a real chance that a nuclear warhead or a dirty bomb will be detonated in an American city. This will simply devistate our economy, and our way of life. I believe Bush's more aggressive approach will have a better chance in (1) creating a free and democratic Iraq, which will make the world safer; and (2) reducing the chance that such a doomsday bomb will actually explode in this country.

    As I type this, it sounds even to me like an irrational fear. However, the consequences of a nuclear or dirty bomb exploding here are so enormous, I don't think I can overstate this issue.
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    Now can any Kerry voter discuss their reasons for voting for Kerry, or even against Bush, and be as thorough and with base as the reasons posted above have been?
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    My reasons:
    Creditibility, moral values, does not waiver, has a real plan and is willing to work to get to it. For a strong America, willing to fight terrorism head-on.

    Kerry changed plans every time he talked to a different audiance. During his 20 years in the Senate, he never sponsored anything of any value. Kerry also has a problem remembering his stand(s) from engagement to engagement. Kerry refused to release his military records. Kerry is a self-admitted war criminal. Kerry met with the enemy during time of war. Kerry supports partial partial-birth abortion. Kerry says we should tell parents when a child is injured but not when the child wants an abortion. The list to vote against Kerry is hugh. Simply hugh. No where in Kerry's legacy is there any indication of family values. Kerry is willing to fight terroism by avoiding it. Kerry wants the US to move toward the socialist system of Europe (esp France), which gosh, is something middle of the road America does not want. Kerry is just too far to the left for me.

    Ben
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    Can anyone explain to me what the fuss is about gay marriage? We don't have it here yet either, and I think the debate is far more high-profile over there. I can see why churches would not want to conduct gay wedding ceremonies, but I cannot understand why civil gay weddings should be banned.
    Animo et Fide
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    IMO, the gay marriage issue is one of those things that if you have to explain it to someone, he will never understand. You either get it or you don't.
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    Why? It's not like trying to explain some creative process!
    Animo et Fide
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