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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by johnbdh
    Well put clairegrrl.

    While I am happy with the outcome of the election I am really disheartened by the intolerant reaction of those who did not have the election go there way. This is not the America I grew up in. I cannot recall a time when conservatives have reacted towards the other side with such animosity in the wake of a political loss. We on the right have always acknowledged the victors, licked our wounds, moved on to work with the hand dealt to us and looked forward to the next opportunity this great country gives us, the average citizen, to influence the direction of that it should go.

    I just don't have words to express how embarrassed I am to see my fellow Americans, who like me are steeped in our democratic process, lose with so little grace.

    Those on that website who feel compelled to apologize to the rest of the world for the outcome of our elections have put ideology ahead of country not to mention the disrespect they pay to nearly 60 million of their fellow Americans.

    I am beginning to take the insults personally.

    Nope, not the America I thought I was living in.

    I am with ya. Before I make my next comment, I would like to say that I do not mean to offend anyone.....errrr, wait, maybe I do. Oh well nevermind about the pre-apology.

    Have you noticed that the overwhelming majority of "I'm sorry" pics, and bigtime vocal Kerry supporters are young (college-aged) kids? I remember being that age and thinking I knew what it was all about. The world would be so much better....blah blah blah...if they did things like I had planned. There are other factors to consider....even when you think....i repeat THINK that you have gathered all of your facts. There hasn't been a perfect president yet....and there probably never will.

    Hey, guess what? We don't live in a utopian society. Things don't always go as well as we had planned. You just have to suck it up and try to go on the best way that you know how. This is called life and it is a learning process.

    I tell you what, keep writing how you are so pissed that you have a person in office that you didn't vote for. Keep pouting like a little child about the way things are going. Keep blaming all of the world's problems on the president. Keep sitting on your **** and running your mouth.....taking pictures...pointing fingers. Instead of making this country better, you do nothing but foster division, siniscism and overall meaness. Try to reverse your approach and work together....with everybody.

    My thoughts end on this.... I know deep down inside that the majority of us want peace, and that is a major driving force behind a lot of actions. There is a lot more to achieving peace than just not fighting. Let's show the world what a tremendous country we live in by banding together AS A COUNTRY and working together, supporting the actions of those chosen to lead this country and supporting those that have to carry out these actions.

    Oh yeah, I have served in the military for over 16 years, and want peace. I also have been in both desert wars, and would go back in a heartbeat. I love this country and will do whatever it takes to protect it. Why? Because my family lives here, my friends live here, you live here....and no matter what our differences may be, I will go to great lengths to protect you and your family's right to live in a society that allows you to speak LOUD when I stay silent, hate what I happen to like, and burn what I will always cherish.

    So what do ya say? Partners?
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by treomojo
    I am with ya. Before I make my next comment, I would like to say that I do not mean to offend anyone.....errrr, wait, maybe I do. Oh well nevermind about the pre-apology.

    Have you noticed that the overwhelming majority of "I'm sorry" pics, and bigtime vocal Kerry supporters are young (college-aged) kids? I remember being that age and thinking I knew what it was all about. The world would be so much better....blah blah blah...if they did things like I had planned. There are other factors to consider....even when you think....i repeat THINK that you have gathered all of your facts. There hasn't been a perfect president yet....and there probably never will.

    Hey, guess what? We don't live in a utopian society. Things don't always go as well as we had planned. You just have to suck it up and try to go on the best way that you know how. This is called life and it is a learning process.

    I tell you what, keep writing how you are so pissed that you have a person in office that you didn't vote for. Keep pouting like a little child about the way things are going. Keep blaming all of the world's problems on the president. Keep sitting on your **** and running your mouth.....taking pictures...pointing fingers. Instead of making this country better, you do nothing but foster division, siniscism and overall meaness. Try to reverse your approach and work together....with everybody.

    My thoughts end on this.... I know deep down inside that the majority of us want peace, and that is a major driving force behind a lot of actions. There is a lot more to achieving peace than just not fighting. Let's show the world what a tremendous country we live in by banding together AS A COUNTRY and working together, supporting the actions of those chosen to lead this country and supporting those that have to carry out these actions.

    Oh yeah, I have served in the military for over 16 years, and want peace. I also have been in both desert wars, and would go back in a heartbeat. I love this country and will do whatever it takes to protect it. Why? Because my family lives here, my friends live here, you live here....and no matter what our differences may be, I will go to great lengths to protect you and your family's right to live in a society that allows you to speak LOUD when I stay silent, hate what I happen to like, and burn what I will always cherish.

    So what do ya say? Partners?
    Very nice words!
    I share your hope that the US people reunite themselfs. By doing that I hope they can reunite with the rest of the world too.. but the lather needs the first..
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  3. #23  
    p.s. but it doesnt hurt to joke about your president.. every country does..
    For example the dutch PM is nick named Harry Potter because of his hairstyle , glasses and way of communicating..

    http://images.google.com/images?q=ba...r=&sa=N&tab=wi..
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  4. #24  
    I'm not saying that we can't disagree.....this actually helps in making a country better. It's just when the disagreements tend to erode the improvement process and split differences into groups or classes, that we end up failing.

    I am all for a good joke.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by treomojo
    I'm not saying that we can't disagree.....this actually helps in making a country better. It's just when the disagreements tend to erode the improvement process and split differences into groups or classes, that we end up failing.

    I am all for a good joke.
    then we totally agree!
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    #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by treomojo
    Have you noticed that the overwhelming majority of "I'm sorry" pics, and bigtime vocal Kerry supporters are young (college-aged) kids? I remember being that age and thinking I knew what it was all about. The world would be so much better....blah blah blah...

    I noticed the same thing...the majority are college aged.

    My fiance and I had a long conversation about this last night. (she is the person who pointed me to the sorry website) We talked about how a lot of younger (mostly dems) feel like they are entitled, which is in check with their age and draws them to the left. They feel they are entitled to the lifestyle of the upper/middle class and the government should provide an easy way for them to acheive this. They see Rebublicans as rich money hoarding greedy people. I don't think that a wealthy person woke up one day and discovered a bunch of cash in their bank account and decided to vote to the right. The majority worked hard for their money. They built businesses, created jobs, rode the roller coaster of the economy and came out on top. They are self-reliant people who don't DEPEND on the government.
  7. #27  
    Well, I am a business owner working on getting rich, give away money to causes I care about Democrat. I don't fit into the mold of a traditional Democrat or Republican.

    Traditionally, Republicans have always been fiscally conservative and Democrats fiscally irresponsible. Republicans believed in state's rights, Democrats never really bought into that. Democrats have traditionally courted unions and the working class and the Republicans have courted corporate interests and are more aligned to the business owner. Democrats were in favor of big government and Republicans in favor of smaller government.

    And I am more troubled now, than ever in the past. Republicans have given up thier fiscally conservative ways while Democrats have shown more (not necessarily better) fiscal restraint. The national debt has ballooned and the government is larger than ever.

    Whether you agree with his personal issues or not, Bill Clinton was the best Republican president since DDE. He cut the size of the government. He brought us a balanced budget. At the same time, the rich got richer, the middle class got richer and the poor got richer.

    Now I feel it is the government's responsibility to take care of those who are down and out ... but not forever. That just enables those people to take advantage of the system. I feel that a government should run basic old age, sickness and disability and retirement program for everyone. Not to make you rich, but at least to help you survive.

    I believe the minimum wage should be indexed for inflation. Just like Social Security benefits for those that are retired.

    I believe the income tax should be repealed and an consumption tax should be put in place in its stead. Talk about getting money to the economy!

    I believe that bills should be sent to the President to sign on a single issue basis, without having amendments tacked on to coneal the real intent of those spending bills.

    I believe welfare should be structured to help those people that are working and have incomes less than the poverty level. Not providing benefits for those who just choose not to work.

    I believe that all federal political campaigns should be publically funded and that no outside funding on any issue be allowed by groups, individuals or political parties.

    There are just a few more ... but now that I think about, I think I'm going to run for President. I have 4 years ... anyone want to help?
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  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    There are just a few more ... but now that I think about, I think I'm going to run for President. I have 4 years ... anyone want to help?
    I'll help! I don't think a moderate has a snowball's chance, though.
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    I'll help! I don't think a moderate has a snowball's chance, though.
    It's pretty sad to say, but I would have to agree with you. But, I'm still up for the challenge.

    BTW, during the debates, I promise to only answer the question asked, not try to get all those talking points in!
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    Thinking ahead on this, what color will my states be?
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  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by Loondog
    I noticed the same thing...the majority are college aged.

    My fiance and I had a long conversation about this last night. (she is the person who pointed me to the sorry website) We talked about how a lot of younger (mostly dems) feel like they are entitled, which is in check with their age and draws them to the left. They feel they are entitled to the lifestyle of the upper/middle class and the government should provide an easy way for them to acheive this. They see Rebublicans as rich money hoarding greedy people. I don't think that a wealthy person woke up one day and discovered a bunch of cash in their bank account and decided to vote to the right. The majority worked hard for their money. They built businesses, created jobs, rode the roller coaster of the economy and came out on top. They are self-reliant people who don't DEPEND on the government.
    Nice generalization!
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    Thinking ahead on this, what color will my states be?
    Whatever color you choose, may I suggest the Speedo shape too?
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    "I cannot recall a time when conservatives have reacted towards the other side with such animosity in the wake of a political loss. We on the right have always acknowledged the victors, licked our wounds, moved on to work with the hand dealt to us and looked forward to the next opportunity this great country gives us, the average citizen, to influence the direction of that it should go."

    Yeah. Those republicans were really nice to president Clinton. Especially Newt Gingrich and Ken Starr. Perfect models for how to unite America. And that $40 million spent trying to get him impeached, when the midterm elections held just before clearly indicated that the American people favored censure, was money well-spent, and a truly bonding experience for all of us.

    Let's get real here, people. Partisanship has been destroying the unity of our nation since its inception. And ALL parties are equally guilty. There are very few graceful losers in Washington.

    I agree that web sites saying "I'm sorry" to the world are pitiful and embarrassing. But you know what? This is America, and the last time I checked, people still have free speech rights for the time being. So let them make fools of themselves. But don't use that as a brush with which to paint all Kerry supporters. That's equally divisive.

    If our current president wants me to believe him when he says he will reach out to everyone in the country (and I really do want to believe him this time), and if he wants to earn all of our trust for real, he needs to stop talking about his "mandate" and making snide comments to the press about the "political capital" he intends to spend over the next four years.

    As Jon Stewart put it so well, Bush needs to pay off his debt from the first four years of spending political "capital" ne never had, before he starts making even more concessions to the far right.

    But fiscal responsibility isn't exactly his strong suit, is it?

    The unification of this divided nation needs to start from the top and work its way down. So far, Bush isn't setting a great example. I hope that changes soon.
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by Oops
    Whatever color you choose, may I suggest the Speedo shape too?
    Purple (uht oh!) speedos! Yea, that's the ticket!
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  15. #35  
    I just emailed your response to George Soros.

    You had some good comments - but this is a very ignorant generalization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loondog
    I noticed the same thing...the majority are college aged.

    My fiance and I had a long conversation about this last night. (she is the person who pointed me to the sorry website) We talked about how a lot of younger (mostly dems) feel like they are entitled, which is in check with their age and draws them to the left. They feel they are entitled to the lifestyle of the upper/middle class and the government should provide an easy way for them to acheive this. They see Rebublicans as rich money hoarding greedy people. I don't think that a wealthy person woke up one day and discovered a bunch of cash in their bank account and decided to vote to the right. The majority worked hard for their money. They built businesses, created jobs, rode the roller coaster of the economy and came out on top. They are self-reliant people who don't DEPEND on the government.
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by mrjoec
    There are very few graceful losers in Washington.
    Not on West Wing though!
  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by mrjoec
    "I cannot recall a time when conservatives have reacted towards the other side with such animosity in the wake of a political loss. We on the right have always acknowledged the victors, licked our wounds, moved on to work with the hand dealt to us and looked forward to the next opportunity this great country gives us, the average citizen, to influence the direction of that it should go."

    Yeah. Those republicans were really nice to president Clinton. Especially Newt Gingrich and Ken Starr. Perfect models for how to unite America. And that $40 million spent trying to get him impeached, when the midterm elections held just before clearly indicated that the American people favored censure, was money well-spent, and a truly bonding experience for all of us.
    I have said it before, it is impossible to reasonably discuss an issue when the other side of an argument rebuts by "Yeah but" ing with something totally unrelated to the discussion. Neither Newt Gingrich, Ken Star, or the impeachment of President Clinton are even remotely remotely relevant to a discussion about voter reaction to an election.

    Can you site a single example of conservative reaction in the week following a presidential loss in a previous election that can compare to the gnashing of teeth, tears, cries of foul, threats to leave, etc. etc., that the left has exhibited this past week and the weeks following the 2000 election?
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    JFK in 1960.
    Jimmy Carter in 1976 (I was probably gnashing my teeth, too)
    Bill Clinton in 1992.
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  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Oops
    Whatever color you choose, may I suggest the Speedo shape too?
    Assuming we accept the Speedo shape, does that mean I'll win Florida?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    JFK in 1960.
    Jimmy Carter in 1976 (I was probably gnashing my teeth, too)
    Bill Clinton in 1992.
    ??? You named elections. What examples do you have of voter reaction after those elections that compare to what we are seeing today from Kerry supporters?
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