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  1. #41  
    ditto, ditto and ditto. 4 more years it may be; but we can make them 4 more hellish years.

    Now we need to get Rehnquist out of bed and on the bench for 4 more years, at least until Bush is gone. Gotta make sure that boy doesn't retire or croak.

    Quote Originally Posted by KKenna
    Why is it that anytime someone to the left states an opinion or opposition it is labeled whining ? I'm in the 49% and will NEVER support what this administration stands for. If he won, so be it. That doesn't mean that the political debate in the country is over, it's just gonna take at least 4 more years of the current policy to show his supporters he's not really looking out for them.

    Oh, yes. GW won. I must stop thinking for myself and assimilate. Silly me.
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by dlbrummels
    True, but when you make mutiple posts about the same tired thing, it becomes whining after a while.
    so that technically makes you a whiner after all this is the xth post you make about whining
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    so that technically makes you a whiner after all this is the xth post you make about whining
    I am trying to change the direction, the damage is done, focus on something that can be changed.
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by illustreous
    4 more years it may be; but we can make them 4 more hellish years.
    Interesting intentions you have.
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  5. #45  
    Certainly. Lets consider a simple case (Read: revisit Estrada). When GW decides to appoint a strict contructionalist to the SC, be certain that Dems around the country will give him hell - just as he received with the Estrada nomination. You may see the longest filibuster in history.

    Anyway, read hellish in terms of the difficulty in passing and not passing bills. Read it in terms of protest, objection and discontent. Read it in terms of being sufficienty grilled for creating and continuing rogue foreign policy.

    IF we have four more years of the same crap, then this time the American people, the critics and the world will be prepared to severly punish this administration into holy hell.

    That's all I was trying to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    Interesting intentions you have.
  6.    #46  
    blocking bush's bills? how? republicans have the majority of the house in their control!

    are you kidding, bush will be able to pass almost any bill he wants now that the dems are out of the house. hell, your minority leader even got his a$$ kicked out.

    and regarding your intentions to make it hellish - YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ANTI-AMERICAN!

    that's all your statement conveys. that's what all the democratic jargon conveys when it is delivered in the form of an attack. you think anyone listens? pfft. america seems to know what a useless pack of sticks in the mud democrats are these days.

    you want to make things hellish?
    maybe you should go join bin laden. I think he has a similar agenda as you, jack.

    and this is why you don't get elected. you clearly convince everyone that your intentions are anything but aimed at improving america or promoting progress. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE LOSERS.

    maybe the party will learn a lesson from the last two embarrassments, but I doubt it.
  7.    #47  
    you have never intended to work with other parties. that's why you are bad for america.

    this WAS a landslide. clinton only won by 49.3% when he ran.
    bush is even more popular than clinton at 51%.

    any mention of mandate when clinton won? did carter or clinton reach across the aisle to stop the division? did clinton reach across? other than to grab an intern's ***?

    these libs should be slapped. let the liberals come to the repubs. they have no mandate whatsoever.
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    blocking bush's bills? how? republicans have the majority of the house in their control!

    are you kidding, bush will be able to pass almost any bill he wants now that the dems are out of the house.
    Remember treobk, that while the House can pass any bill with a simple majority, the stupid Senate rules require 60 votes to close debate on a bill and allow a vote. Therefore, the Dems can block any bill they want, since they have more than 40 members in the Senate. They can't pass anything by themselves, but they can block everything. Maybe the new minority leader will act with more reason than Dashle.

    Those Senate rules stink big time, and could possibly lead to a constitutional crisis. If I were there, I would find a way to change the rules and allow votes on any bill brought by either party, regardless of who is in power at the time.

    Interesting how Kerry is talking about unity and coming together for the good of the country, while on the same day illustreous talks of obstruction and mayhem.
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  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    Interesting how Kerry is talking about unity and coming together for the good of the country, while on the same day illustreous talks of obstruction and mayhem.
    Kerry is a politician. Any politician would have said the same thing - and after every election they do. Obstruction, yes. Mayhem, no.

    Perhaps you folks don't understand that what I speak of is within the confines of our political system. Do I want a divided country? No. Will my values and ideologies, just as other folks', create one? Yes. Is there any common ground? Very little. That's really the truth.

    I was at an apartment party here in NYC several months back when I was talking to a fellow from Missouri. One of his brothers is in the Army. He went on to tell me that the day his brother got called up he (his brother) was fired up about "killing those arabs." In addition, the brother and his friends shared a similar sentiment. Beyond the supremecist mentality, there was this hate the fellow spoke of that was in his brother's eyes. The story goes on, and he even gives me anecdotes about his brother killing Iraqi soldiers. For our purposes, this is enough.

    I lost my best friend from college (he worked on the 93rd floor) on 9/11. I never felt such a solid hatred for a person, Bin Laden. I would've lined up to see this guy's execution, much less do it myself. However, as soon as the decision was made not to pursue Bin Laden aggressively in Afghanistan and, then, go after Sadaam, I lost my marbles. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing.

    This administration (with the zillions of dollars and resources that it has access to) put me through a personal hell by not finding the man that killed my friend and 3000 others. So, you see, among these vituperations understand that I too have manifested a bitterness due to their subpar and selfish decisions. Even the the families of 9/11 victims don't endorse Bush. What does that say?

    I have just as many Republican friends as I do Democratic friends. Even though I was born when Nixon resigned (same day!), I was still a fan of his after I learned about him. In this instance it's not about which party you choose. This is much, much more specific. This is about which administration you support (and, alternatively, which you dislike).
  10. #50  
    Another procedure which really stinks big time is the one that allows a high court to decide who a President is.

    If I were there, I would find a way to change the rules and allow a state court, who, among the obvious question of standing and jurisdiction, is more familiar with that states operations and procedures than the high court.

    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    Those Senate rules stink big time, and could possibly lead to a constitutional crisis. If I were there, I would find a way to change the rules and allow votes on any bill brought by either party, regardless of who is in power at the time.
  11. #51  
    What's the problem with a "divided" country. As long as people respect those of all opinion, diversity of opinion is a plus, not a negative.
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    and regarding your intentions to make it hellish - YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ANTI-AMERICAN!
    Exactly. And that's why I vote, protest, perform community service, pay taxes (and lots of them), support my senator and congressman and love my freedom.

    that's all your statement conveys. that's what all the democratic jargon conveys when it is delivered in the form of an attack. you think anyone listens? pfft. america seems to know what a useless pack of sticks in the mud democrats are these days.
    So would it convey otherwise if I didn't deliver it in the form of an attack? Perhaps with rainbow sprinkles? Chocolate? (Psst...I like rainbow).

    you want to make things hellish?
    maybe you should go join bin laden. I think he has a similar agenda as you, jack.
    Wow. You must've been really hurt by my comments.

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    and this is why you don't get elected. you clearly convince everyone that your intentions are anything but aimed at improving america or promoting progress. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE LOSERS.
    [\QUOTE]

    I never knew I ran. I would've lost anyway. No one likes NY'ers.
    What is your definition of progress. A reasonable definition of progress would define the last 4 years under Bush. And that wasn't progress in my view. The question is not improving America. It's how to improve it.

    maybe the party will learn a lesson from the last two embarrassments, but I doubt it.
    2000 wasn't an embarassment; it was robbery. 2004 was a clear-cut embarassment indeed.
  13. #53  
    Divided in the negative sense - when there in no respect. But you are certainly right.

    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    What's the problem with a "divided" country. As long as people respect those of all opinion, diversity of opinion is a plus, not a negative.
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by illustreous
    Another procedure which really stinks big time is the one that allows a high court to decide who a President is.
    Who better to decide whether the federal equal protection rights were violated? The Florida justices? Please. Gore threw that election into the courts, not Bush. Thank goodness Kerry showed class by letting the vote counts decide this election, instead of demanding recounts in selected counties.

    The 2000 election is long over. Get over it. After the 2000 election, people were so happy with Bush's performance that he was reelected by the greatest number of votes ever, and received more of a percentage of the vote than Clinton ever did.
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  15. #55  
    Gore requested a hand recount, as he's allowed to do under Florida law. It was Bush's team who tried to stop that recount. They brought it to the courts. (As they were legally allowed to do - you can sue for anything.)

    http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATI...00timeline.php

    I'm over it. Gore lost in 2000. Kerry lost yesterday. I'm disappointed, but not claiming anyone stole anything. (I realize you weren't talking about me when you said that... I'm just clarifying my position here.)
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  16. #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by metsfan
    Gore requested a hand recount, as he's allowed to do under Florida law. It was Bush's team who tried to stop that recount. They brought it to the courts. (As they were legally allowed to do - you can sue for anything.)

    http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATI...00timeline.php
    Thanks for the interesting link. I stand corrected. It looks like Bush filed first because only the heavily democratic counties were going to be recounted. Then a bunch of lawsuits were filed by various Dems for various reasons relating to the recounts. Here is a CNN article on the various lawsuits if anyone wants to rehash that old election: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/11/14/election.courts/

    Reading both webpages made me remember how ugly that Florida fiasco was.
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  17. #57  
    Similarly, I was trying to make a point. Not trying to get into 2000 election fiasco. Yeah, I'm glad this one's over. I feel so mentally drained; I can only imagine how the campaigns must feel.
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    #58  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    now is a time to pull together and work towards our common destiny!

    Hillary in 2008
    Hell no.
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