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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    And of course it doesnt matter if someone complains, it's your job to stand up for the oppressed and prevent their sufferring.
    What are you trying to say here??

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    and having the TOS flag to wave about in everyones face doesnt hurt either. I wonder what sort of comments you would have if you didnt have that to hide behind.
    with all due respect, but that is total nonsense. the TOS flag hardly ever gets used. But you agreed with the TOS and if you don't like it is your right to not visit the forum, but if you do you have to play by the rules it it that simple..
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  2. #102  
    Since it is election day here in the US, can we run a rock-tha-ban vote?
  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Have you noticed which post triggered my warning?
    this one: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...9&postcount=23
    Making discriminatory jokes about terrorist is in poor taste IMHO but that didnt trigger the warning.
    it is your total lack of respect who (quoting oops now) 'millions of Muslims who are NOT terrorists and wear Turbans on their heads as well'
    By doing that you stepped over the line.
    She said NO and nothing more. You are now legislating respect? Sorry bud, but you dont have the right, TOS or not, to tell people how to think. Oops asked her a simple question and she gave an answer. You didnt like it. The word No is hardly a violation of the TOS. In fact is was Oops' question that led her into that trap. He was the one who brought up people she wasnt even talking about.
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  4. #104  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    What are you trying to say here??
    What I am trying to say is until someone complains about clairegrrls comment all you are doing is standing up for nameless faceless people who MIGHT be offended if they were ever to run across her post. The very essence of political correctness.

    Does that make you feel good that you have saved allegedly millions of muslims from hurt when they will likely never come across these threads? I might also point out that how they react is their business and not yours or mine. They choose to react any given way to something. In your attempt to censor others you are in fact removing their right to chose their own reaction.

    with all due respect, but that is total nonsense. the TOS flag hardly ever gets used. But you agreed with the TOS and if you don't like it is your right to not visit the forum, but if you do you have to play by the rules it it that simple..

    ya I know I have the choice to be here. You remind many of that often enough.

    It's just sad that when someone is talking about a specific group (i.e. islamic terrorists) and describes them in a certain way (i.e. towel heads) they get crap about another group that may have similiarities (i.e. a group that wears turbans) when they were clearly not talking about them.

    That sure makes it seem that anyone can make what a person says into anything they want it to be for any purpose they want. That is pathetic. And you play right into that with your warnings. Not to mention that Joebar99 is frequently swearing and calling people names in many threads and yet I dont recall seeing you give him any warnings. Moderate if you must but moderate fair whether you agree with the topic or not. Doing it any other way makes you look petty and willing to abuse your power for you own position.
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  5. #105  
    Callin someone a name is a lot different than being a racist buddy.
  6. #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar99
    Callin someone a name is a lot different than being a racist buddy.

    I for one have been called worse ........ its the price one pays for taking a possition. Someone always has a different one.
  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar99
    Callin someone a name is a lot different than being a racist buddy.
    We've established is wasnt racism, because we werent talking about a race of people. Do you only read every other post?

    And I would totally expect you to say your name calling isnt near as bad as whatever anyone else does. But at least you are consistent.
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  8. #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    ...In fact is was Oops' question that led her into that trap. He was the one who brought up people she wasnt even talking about.
    I didn’t know I posses a magician’s talent. If I tricked her into answering "No" then how come I can't make her disappear?
    You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing.
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  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by Oops
    I didn’t know I posses a magician’s talent. If I tricked her into answering "No" then how come I can't make her disappear?
    You should just stick to your classroom
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  10. #110  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    What I am trying to say is until someone complains about clairegrrls comment all you are doing is standing up for nameless faceless people who MIGHT be offended if they were ever to run across her post. The very essence of political correctness.

    Does that make you feel good that you have saved allegedly millions of muslims from hurt when they will likely never come across these threads? I might also point out that how they react is their business and not yours or mine. They choose to react any given way to something. In your attempt to censor others you are in fact removing their right to chose their own reaction..
    There are 2 ways of moderating, proactive and reactive. We do both.
    None of the mods can read all of the posts so we have the report button in case people want to attand us to issues. But if we come across something we take action too

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    ya I know I have the choice to be here. You remind many of that often enough.

    It's just sad that when someone is talking about a specific group (i.e. islamic terrorists) and describes them in a certain way (i.e. towel heads) they get crap about another group that may have similiarities (i.e. a group that wears turbans) when they were clearly not talking about them.

    That sure makes it seem that anyone can make what a person says into anything they want it to be for any purpose they want. That is pathetic. And you play right into that with your warnings. Not to mention that Joebar99 is frequently swearing and calling people names in many threads and yet I dont recall seeing you give him any warnings. Moderate if you must but moderate fair whether you agree with the topic or not. Doing it any other way makes you look petty and willing to abuse your power for you own position.
    First of all while her initial joke wasnt over all people who wear turbans her folow up sure was, and that is what I responded to, if it wasnt for that I probably would ignored it and thought it was just bad form..
    Second when I see people swearing, calling names, doing personal attacks etc. I do warn them and/or edit the post, regardless of the poster.
    But as said before I dont read all the posts, so unless people point things out to us, it is possible for things to fall through the cracks. After all the mods are unpaid volunteers..
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  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar99
    Callin someone a name is a lot different than being a racist buddy.
    It is (in a way), but it isnt allowed here either.
    Both are bad behaviour which isnt tolerated here. simple.
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  12. #112  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    What I am trying to say is until someone complains about clairegrrls comment all you are doing is standing up for nameless faceless people who MIGHT be offended if they were ever to run across her post. The very essence of political correctness.

    Does that make you feel good that you have saved allegedly millions of muslims from hurt when they will likely never come across these threads? I might also point out that how they react is their business and not yours or mine. They choose to react any given way to something. In your attempt to censor others you are in fact removing their right to chose their own reaction.
    So you are saying it is ok to be racist/disciminatory behind a persons back but not in their face?
    Come on I gave you more credit than that.
    It is not OK period. Not sure about the law in the US, but over here it is illegal to discriminate..

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    ya I know I have the choice to be here. You remind many of that often enough.
    Is that right? show me where I did that? I hardly ever have to remind people of that..

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Not to mention that Joebar99 is frequently swearing and calling people names in many threads and yet I dont recall seeing you give him any warnings. Moderate if you must but moderate fair whether you agree with the topic or not. Doing it any other way makes you look petty and willing to abuse your power for you own position.
    If you see him do that hit the report this thread button and see what happens.. you'll be surprized..
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  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    So you are saying it is ok to be racist/disciminatory behind a persons back but not in their face?
    Last time I'm going to try because I think I'm kicking a dead horse....

    I didnt say racism is ok. I said that your regard for an unamed group of people is overkill in this case because Claire was speaking about a certain segment.Here I'll break it down for you.
    Claire said
    the Islamic terrorists who hate our guts do not like to be called "Towel Heads,
    So rational people who can read and think would not be offended by this if they
    a. werent islamic
    b. werent terrorists
    AND
    c. didnt wear headgear of linen.

    Did you note the and? If someone who read this happened to wear a turban but wasnt a terrorist or islamic (i.e. sihk) then they would have not been offended because they could clearly see that it was not directed at them.

    Many liberals have an annoying tendency to believe they know what is best for everyone and feel the need to protect the unamed masses from whatever hurt there might be.The people that dont fall into Claire's topic have no need to be offended and can plainly see that for themselves. The key here is context. And you and Oops have clearly taken these comments out of context and assumed you need to protect everyone that MIGHT be affected by warning Claire. Stop playing the humanitarian protector and let people decide for themselves if something bothers them.
    Last edited by Woof; 11/03/2004 at 11:01 AM.
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  14. #114  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    You liberals have an annoying tendency ...
    This is the type of broad-brush stroke that really can get to people. Regardless of intent or meaning, I/we will not tolerate any attempt to inflame. I make this statement while neither agreeing nor disagreeing with what you are saying. I simply disagree with the way you are saying it. Please stop.
  15. #115  
    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    This is the type of broad-brush stroke that really can get to people. Regardless of intent or meaning, I/we will not tolerate any attempt to inflame. I make this statement while neither agreeing nor disagreeing with what you are saying. I simply disagree with the way you are saying it. Please stop.
    Point taken. Post edited. I hope my edit it more agreeable.
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    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  16. #116  
    Woof, you have such flawed logic! If you use a word which applies to a group of people it doesn't stop applying simply because you qualify it with a subset. If that word was offensive to the whole group before then it still is.
    Animo et Fide
  17. #117  
    And I am assuming you haved polled the whole group and found out they are offended. Sure you have.

    You cannot logically assume that because one person of a particular group is offended by something that all members of the group will be offended. Utterly ridiculous.

    So if I am talking about a group of people who are trial lawyers and and I say something that is derogatory and offensive to trial lawyers, you are saying all lawyers because they are part of the lawyer group will be offended therefore I cannot voice my opinion about trial lawyers?

    So then how can I voice a negative opinion about anyone or anything iff they are of a larger group that could possibly be offended by my statement. Hell using your thinking we could take it to the point where you cant say anything cause someone somewhere will be offended even if you arent talking about them.

    You think that is logical?
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
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    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  18. #118  
    you can voice your opininion and opposition to a group by using terms which apply solely to that group. The term "towel-head" is clearly derogatory to all people who wear turbans and cannot be made to be more specific.
    Animo et Fide
  19. #119  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    The term "towel-head" is clearly derogatory to all people who wear turbans and cannot be made to be more specific.
    What about "sheet head"?
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  20. #120  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    What about "sheet head"?
    I think begin to understand your mythology. And it isn’t complimentary at all. I know “public” opinion doesn’t matter to you, but eventually your gripes are going to shrink to raisins. Pity!
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