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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    With all due respect, treobk214, I wish you'd condemn clairegrrl's insensitive remarks towards other cultures and people. Preferably right here right now. I think it is wrong for anyone here to personally-attack others so I agree with you on that! (And, BTW, calling someone Jackhole, as she did, is very personal!).
    Chick...Shall we refer to you as white trash or the more politically correct "white refuse"? Choice is yours.
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  2. #62  
    edit above post.

    I would simply like to see quarrels such as these handled in an unbiased manner. that's all.

    typos are so frustrating on the treo .
  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    I don't demand that, I was hoping you would. And still do. Fair enough though, I will join you in asking the administration to be unbiased. (Now check the post above by clairegrrl that was directed at me. Was there a reason for her comment?)
    Just think that I was holding up an imaginary mirror.
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  4. #64  
    Girls, girls, girls. Fight nice. If you don't want to, come to my place, I'll get out the Wesson and Saran Wrap and sell tickets. You guys can get 40% each and I'll take 20%!
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  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Racist jokes are still racist. and will not be allowed here. Consider this a final warning.
    ...Islamic terrorists who hate our guts...This is what you are calling racist. You are very heavy handed with those that have points of view that differ from yours, but I must have been naive to think that all people would oppose terrorism.
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  6. #66  
    Ya Tool I am gonna have to agree with Claire. If you look at many of the political threads, you have a tendancy to side with those on your side of the aisle. Rarely do you chastise the left, but almost always do you have something to say to those who are conservative.

    I dont have time to look for the threads at the moment, but there is one where Joebar uses the word "fcuking" to make his point. This is clearly not appropriate language but your reprimand (or anyone elses) is strangely absent.

    I might also mention that towel head is not a racist comment. Why? Muslims are not a race. People who where turbans are not all of one particular race. Racism by definition is directed at another race. It has nothing to do with religion or manner of dress.

    Please reconsider your warning. It is biased and unfair.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
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  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I dont have time to look for the threads at the moment, but there is one where Joebar uses the word "fcuking" to make his point. This is clearly not appropriate language but your reprimand (or anyone elses) is strangely absent.
    Hey now. I deleted that!
  8. #68  
    ok Kurt, I hadnt noticed that.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
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  9. #69  
    All,

    At the risk of inserting myself into something I have no business in nor an exit from, everyone has crossed a line here. There is no added value in pointing out some terrorists wear cloths on their heads, nor is there added value in comparing someone to a certain colored waste. To introduce such additional distinctions is to be possibly prejudicial, but at the very least inflamatory. Neither of which we tolerate here.

    Please fell free to PM me with any of the (inevitable) complaints.
    Last edited by KRamsauer; 11/02/2004 at 10:24 AM.
  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    ok Kurt, I hadnt noticed that.
    Looking back, I guess I didn't delete the quoted remarks. Oh well.
  11. #71  
    It's ok, youre still very evenhanded when it comes to moderating.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  12. #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    ...Islamic terrorists who hate our guts...This is what you are calling racist. You are very heavy handed with those that have points of view that differ from yours, but I must have been naive to think that all people would oppose terrorism.
    OK, maybe racist isnt the right word, religionist is maybe a better choice.
    You insulted milions of innocent muslims with your 'joke'. Either way it was discrimination, the rest is just semantics.

    As for me being biased, maybe I am, after all I am only human, I try not to be.
    Also thats why we have mods with different political view to keep each other in check (for example Kramsauer).
    As I PMed carter437 :
    "Thanks for your note and thanks for keeping me alert
    There is a very fine line between freedom of speech and racism in certain cases so it is pretty tricky to moderate that. We try to give people as much freedom as possible but dont want to see grieving statements (wether racial, religious, or personal attacks).
    In a lot of cases it is a judgement call on where we draw the line.
    Trouble with internet communication is that there is no non verbal communication (except maybe smilies) so it sometimes happens a message gets across wrong, or 2 people interprete it in different ways.
    Joebar's remark was on the edge I agree, bun IMO it was just within the line while Claire's was clairly over the line.
    Hope that makes a bit sense.."
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  13. #73  
    Realize, I am sitting back and REALLY enjoying this therad

    Closing my eyes, and thinking of a catfight...
  14. #74  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    OK, maybe racist isnt the right word, religionist is maybe a better choice.
    You insulted milions of innocent muslims with your 'joke'. Either way it was discrimination, the rest is just semantics.
    LOL. You now know what insults muslims and wether or not they are innocent. How'd you get so smart?

    Do millions of muslims read this board?

    Do you ever tire of trying to make everyone feel good? Are you really John Kerry. You sound alot like him? It must really suck to be so afraid to hurt someone feelings that you cant say what you really think about something.

    Oh and now it is not ok to disagree based on religion? If I say something about nuns are you going to chastise me for offending millions of innocent Catholics? (innocent Catholic, LOL that's funny).

    By the way
    Religionist from Websters
    One earnestly devoted or attached to a religion; a religious zealot.
    a person who manifests devotion to a deity


    Doesnt fit your usage at all.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  15. #75  
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahootzki
    Realize, I am sitting back and REALLY enjoying this therad

    Closing my eyes, and thinking of a catfight...
    That's why I invited clairegrrl and Chick-Dance to fight over at my place ... Wesson oil and all!
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  16. #76  
    Let me remind people that Muslims aren't a race of people. They are members of a religion.

    Now that I have made a correction, head back in my shell and back on track.
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  17. #77  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    LOL. You now know what insults muslims and wether or not they are innocent. How'd you get so smart?.
    Common sense my friend, if people get ridiculed about the clothes they wear because of their religion it would be insulting.
    Besides that this topic has been a hot issue in holland for a while now where muslim girls get ridiculed because of their head scarfe. Also I've heard stories of people who are of the sikh religion and get labeled terrorist because of their turban etc. etc. I find it hard to believe you think a 'joke' like that is not offensive especially after it was said she doesn't care about the feelings of milions of innocent people..
    It is a thing of comon decency a thing I thought was part of Bush' doctrine :/


    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Do millions of muslims read this board?
    I don't know, but I'm sure there are quite a few muslims who read TC...
    I imagine there are viewers with all kinds of religions..

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Do you ever tire of trying to make everyone feel good? Are you really John Kerry. You sound alot like him? It must really suck to be so afraid to hurt someone feelings that you cant say what you really think about something.
    I'm not trying to make everybody feel good, I enforce the rules of this board, it clearly says when you sign up that it is against the rules to discriminate.
    And what is wrong with trying to not hurt somebody's feelings? I was brought up to treat other the way I would like to be threated.. and feel that is a good philosophy..


    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Oh and now it is not ok to disagree based on religion? If I say something about nuns are you going to chastise me for offending millions of innocent Catholics? (innocent Catholic, LOL that's funny).
    It is fine to disagree, it is not fine to discriminate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    By the way
    Religionist from Websters
    One earnestly devoted or attached to a religion; a religious zealot.
    a person who manifests devotion to a deity

    Doesnt fit your usage at all.
    Thanks for the english lesson, so which word would you use when people discriminate based on religion?
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  18. #78  
    This is something I wanna say, maybe it Will offend people, but I WILL say anyway...(if you feel offended, think about it)

    I heard someone say once, not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim....

    Now, the problem is NOT with all muslims,(I know alot of them that are VERY nice, and I really like them) BUT, they don't say a word of protest when something like 9/11 happens, that in itself makes me, and others, think ill of them.

    Now, my point, when 9/11 happened, there where people dancing in the streets, (even here in Patterson NJ, not only overseas...)
    THOSE SAME PEOPLE WILL DANCE IF KERRY WINS

    For that, and if for that ONLY, I will vote BUSH
    Whoever doesn't like it, doesn't like TRUTH...

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  19. #79  
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahootzki
    This is something I wanna say, maybe it Will offend people, but I WILL say anyway...(if you feel offended, think about it)

    I heard someone say once, not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim....

    Now, the problem is NOT with all muslims,(I know alot of them that are VERY nice, and I really like them) BUT, they don't say a word of protest when something like 9/11 happens, that in itself makes me, and others, think ill of them.

    Now, my point, when 9/11 happened, there where people dancing in the streets, (even here in Patterson NJ, not only overseas...)
    THOSE SAME PEOPLE WILL DANCE IF KERRY WINS

    For that, and if for that ONLY, I will vote BUSH

    Whoever doesn't like it, doesn't like TRUTH...
    Those people dancing in the streets should have their heads examined. Nothing is worth killing that many people over!

    As for protest by muslims over 9-11, I have seen numerous statements of muslim leaders who condemned the actions. But maybe it is different in the US..

    Still, how many Catholics/Protestants stood up with the northern ireland conflict? not that many either, so I guess it is human nature
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  20. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahootzki
    I heard someone say once, not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim....
    How much is that statement really worth?

    I heard someone say once, not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim
    I heard someone say once, not all men are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are men
    I heard someone say once, not all those over 3 feet tall are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are over 3 feet tall
    I heard someone say once, not all those who have hair are terrorists, but almost all terrorists have hair
    I heard someone say once, not all those who have five fingers on each hand are terrorists, but almost all terrorists have five fingers on each hand
    I heard someone say once, not all alive are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are alive
    I heard someone say once, not all humans are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are humans
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