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    MATTHEW MANWELLER'S COMMENTARY ON THIS ELECTION



    This commentary is from Matthew Manweller, a political science professor at Central Washington University.





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    "In that this will be my last comlumn before the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.



    This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.



    First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.



    Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.



    It is said that America's WWII generation is its "greatest generation." But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's "last generation." Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WWII, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor, and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake "living in America" as "being an American." But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."


    i hope this clarifies things for you better, i cant imagine the possible repercussions of a new president with the ambivalence of a john kerry, and trial lawyer vice president with a historical damaging effect on malpractice insurance as that of john edwards.

    we need strength, not uncertainty in these times. kerry is not the choice for us now. we need george w. bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    MATTHEW MANWELLER'S COMMENTARY ON THIS ELECTION



    This commentary is from Matthew Manweller, a political science professor at Central Washington University.





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    "In that this will be my last comlumn before the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.



    This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.



    First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.



    Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.



    It is said that America's WWII generation is its "greatest generation." But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's "last generation." Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WWII, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor, and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake "living in America" as "being an American." But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."


    i hope this clarifies things for you better, i cant imagine the possible repercussions of a new president with the ambivalence of a john kerry, and trial lawyer vice president with a historical damaging effect on malpractice insurance as that of john edwards.

    we need strength, not uncertainty in these times. kerry is not the choice for us now. we need george w. bush.



    now this is a nice find, great job, vw2002!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    Too many citizens today mistake "living in America" as "being an American." But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nation
    Too many Americans think America is a country, rather than a continent... But that's a cheap shot
    What I think is a cheap shot by the author is comparing Saddam's regime with the Nazis. Yes they were nasty and ruthless but they didn't have the expansionist ambitions that Nazi Germany was halfway to realising before the USA finally joined in. OK he doesn't quite say that, but the inference is clear. WWII was clearly justified on all sorts of grounds, this current war isn't.
    Animo et Fide
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    Too many Americans think America is a country, rather than a continent....
    Ummm...the USA is a country. North America is a continent. No??
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    9-11 is reason enough for me. Time to take the fight to those who support,proliferate and harbor terrorists and Al-qaeda. Oh and here is a premptive strike, Iraq wasn't involved in 9-11.

    One may disagree with the order in which we attacked these countries (why not Iran, N. Korea etc), thats fine, but Iraq was on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Ummm...the USA is a country. North America is a continent. No??
    Precisely right grrl, so why does he say 'America'? My Brazilian sister-in-law is from America as much as anyone from the USA.
    Animo et Fide
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    My Brazilian sister-in-law is from America as much as anyone from the USA.
    I agree. She would be South American
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    MATTHEW MANWELLER'S COMMENTARY ON THIS ELECTION
    This commentary is from Matthew Manweller, a political science professor at Central Washington University.
    This coming from a political "professor" is very interesting, they usually lean all the way LEFT...

    Nice commentary.. Thanks vw
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    Precisely right grrl, so why does he say 'America'? My Brazilian sister-in-law is from America as much as anyone from the USA.
    hey if your brother has a 'brazilian' he surely doesnt have bush then does he

    sorry couldnt resist..
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    I think there is room for disagreement as to how effectively Bush is fighting terror. Here are the facts that I see:

    Before 911, Bush basically ignored Clinton's security advisor Clark's warnings about bin Ladin.

    Bush let bin Ladin get away in Afganistan, and instead attacked Iraq, which had no connection with 911 or bin Ladin.

    Later Bush said " I'm not concerned about him [bin Ladin], then lied about not saying it in the presidential debate.

    And this misguided war into Iraq has no doubt greatly increased muslim extremism around the world, making the problem worse not better.

    It is my opinion that Bush is misguided and while he seems to want to fight terror, he is doing it in the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    hey if your brother has a 'brazilian' he surely doesnt have bush then does he

    sorry couldnt resist..


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    Right, where do you live now Toolkit? I'm sending the boys round.

    ACDriver, can I come back in on that commando thing with you, we may have a job!
    Animo et Fide
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    He's an assistant professor (got his PhD last year) and who has ever heard of Central Washington U (not that it really matters but was not a school I had ever heard of)?

    http://www.cwu.edu/~polisci/faculty.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.
    interesting conclusion. lets say we were talking about a company not a country, would a CEO which made poor choices be re-elected/kept on board? I dont think so, so why would a pres. who made poor choices?

    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.
    America!=Bush (and vice versa), if bush failed it doesnt mean 'america' did..
    America would fail if it keeps making the same mistakes and not learn from the past..


    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10.
    I think terrorists allready learned the lesson about PRPRPR. $As$ $a$ $matter$ $of$ $fact$ $that$ $is$ $what$ $terrorism$ $is$ $all$ $about$, $a$ $underpowered$ $group$ $who$ $uses$ $the$ $public$ $opion$ $as$ $a$ $weapon$ $by$ $making$ $relative$ $small$ $but$ $high$ $profile$ $hits$

    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there.
    Where does he base the idea Kerry is weak on? on his 'flip-flopping'? I'd rather have a person who can see his mistakes and adapt his postion so change is possible then one who stubornly keeps doing his own thing, even if the rest of the world says it is not the best way... conviction is great, but the risk is getting tunnelvision..

    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.
    I think Bin Laden came up with that idea decades ago...it is the basis of his whole organization..

    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    It is said that America's WWII generation is its "greatest generation." But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's "last generation." Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WWII, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor, and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake "living in America" as "being an American." But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."
    I agree, people need to take action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    I think there is room for disagreement as to how effectively Bush is fighting terror. Here are the facts that I see:

    Before 911, Bush basically ignored Clinton's security advisor Clark's warnings about bin Ladin.

    Bush let bin Ladin get away in Afganistan, and instead attacked Iraq, which had no connection with 911 or bin Ladin.

    Later Bush said " I'm not concerned about him [bin Ladin], then lied about not saying it in the presidential debate.

    And this misguided war into Iraq has no doubt greatly increased muslim extremism around the world, making the problem worse not better.

    It is my opinion that Bush is misguided and while he seems to want to fight terror, he is doing it in the wrong way.
    Hey Cellboy...you must be getting tired. You said basically the same thing in the other thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottymomo
    He's an assistant professor (got his PhD last year) and who has ever heard of Central Washington U (not that it really matters but was not a school I had ever heard of)?

    http://www.cwu.edu/~polisci/faculty.html
    It's probably between University of Washington and Washington State
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Hey Cellboy...you must be getting tired. You said basically the same thing in the other thread
    yes I should just use little one liners - less work
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    It's probably between University of Washington and Washington State
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Where does he base the idea Kerry is weak on? on his 'flip-flopping'? I'd rather have a person who can see his mistakes and adapt his postion so change is possible then one who stubornly keeps doing his own thing, even if the rest of the world says it is not the best way... conviction is great, but the risk is getting tunnelvision..

    He doesn't see his mistakes, he see's polls, the wind, the weather, ect. That's what he bases (adaps, as you call it..) his positions

    I posted this on another thread, please check it out ToolkiT..Click here
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    cellmatrix, one could also argue that clinton ignored all the signs as well, couldn't one?

    us cole, 2 wtc attacks, cell, did he need mr clark to tell him there were things to "fear"?
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    do you like clinton's style of ignoring all the signs better? it appears to be that way.

    why didn't clinton strengthen airport security then?
    why didn't clinton strenthen security around the wtc after the 2 attacks?
    why didn't clinton wake up after the us cole and realize not only are they attacking us overseas but also in new york city?

    suddenly you pin all this on bush? we did not answer these attacks at all. we even backed out of somalia - giving al qaeda encouragement to think the us could be bullied.

    this is not the pattern of presidency I want, and I don't think the majority of people in americans want someone who will allow our enemies to gather strength rather than face them down.

    there is a message we have to send here, and its not a message of weakness, but strong determination. above all, this is the type of america we have to preserve. softening our approach to our enemies due to desire to please, be popular, or rub elbows again with europe is not the approach america used to win its independence, or defend itself in previous wars.

    strength is the american message that was conveyed in the past, this is the communication we need to continue to send in our future. the ambivalence of the kerry / edwards ticket is not the way america will succeed and preserve its strength in the days to come.
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