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    Click the link to read the entire article. (oh, and neocons, this story has been reported WORLD WIDE and not just in the NYT.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/16/in...16platoon.html

    Inquiry Opens After Reservists Balk in Baghdad
    By NEELA BANERJEE and ARIEL HART

    Published: October 16, 2004

    The Army is investigating members of a Reserve unit in Iraq who refused to deliver a fuel shipment north of Baghdad under conditions they considered unsafe, the Pentagon and relatives of the soldiers said Friday. Several soldiers called it a "suicide mission," relatives said.

    Some 18 members of the 343rd Quartermaster Company, based in Rock Hill, S.C., were detained at gunpoint for nearly two days after disobeying orders to drive trucks that they said had not been serviced and were not being escorted by armed vehicles to Taji, about 15 miles north of Baghdad, relatives said after speaking to some of the soldiers.
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    "U.S. troops and their families have a more positive impression of their commander-in-chief and a more upbeat attitude about both Iraq and the United States than the general public does, according to the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey.....
    Similarly, 69 percent of survey respondents said they had a favorable opinion of the president, while just 29 percent had a favorable opinion of his Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry. "

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG0D9B5J21.DTL
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    "U.S. troops and their families have a more positive impression of their commander-in-chief and a more upbeat attitude about both Iraq and the United States than the general public does, according to the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey.....
    Similarly, 69 percent of survey respondents said they had a favorable opinion of the president, while just 29 percent had a favorable opinion of his Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry. "

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG0D9B5J21.DTL
    It's amazing how you can pick something out of an article and slant it toward your political view. If you read further on, you would have found this:

    "Part of the explanation for Bush's high numbers was that in the military survey group, Republicans outnumbered Democrats by more than two to one, said survey political director Adam Clymer. That is in keeping with past research that has found increasing numbers of military members identifying themselves as Republicans over the past 30 years, especially among officers and career members."

    Looking at this it makes pretty good sense that the military favors the President over Senator Kerry by a two-to-one margin since there are twice as many Republicans in the service (according the article) than Democrats.

    Since you often rail about things taken out of context wrt the President, I find it amusing that you often do the same thing to Senator Kerry. Morpheus once said, "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
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    knowing the path and walking the path. hmm. I wonder if kerry had that thought in mind when he used his tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes. as the kerry's paid 12% while the middle class paid 35%. and he's pro-env, yet he sports 5 suvs. way to go john, you're our man!
    I agree with you completely. its one thing to know the path, and another to walk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    knowing the path and walking the path. hmm. I wonder if kerry had that thought in mind when he used his tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes. as the kerry's paid 12% while the middle class paid 35%. and he's pro-env, yet he sports 5 suvs. way to go john, you're our man!
    I agree with you completely. its one thing to know the path, and another to walk it.
    First, Senator Kerry merely used the current tax code to his benefit, just as you are permitted to do so. You may not like it, but you have to admire a man that says he wants to roll back taxes on those earning $200,000+, especially when it will have an effect on his personal situation.

    Second, since when does supporting environmental causes and your personal ownership of vehicles cancel one another out? Today's emissions controls are so effective that almost all new vehicles are low emissions vehicles. Due to this, they have a smaller effect on air quality than in the past.

    Third, if your point was that he has 5 SUV's and lamblasts our dependence on Middle Eastern oil, well, I'm on your side on this one. But since I brought it up first, you can't use it against me. Nanny, nanny, boo, boo!
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    Oh, tb214, I forgot something ...

    Those tax loopholes were written and passed by a Republican Congress, signed into law by a Republican President and passed on to the citizens of the USA.

    I think it's amusing that Republicans are blasting a Democrat for taking advantage of laws they (Republicans) wrote. Don't you think that Republicans are also taking advantage of these same loopholes? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, don't you know!

    You can say what you want about what he says, but I feel you speak out of both sides of your mouth when you criticize him for taking advantage of things you support, i.e. tax reduction.
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    I keep hearing this foo about five SUV's... Its' not like the guy is driving all five at once. It's one of the five at any given time (unless he knows something I don't). So realistically it's only one vehicle's emmissions as far as the environment is concerned. Maybe he carpools with the SUV? That's better than say, six individuals each driving a vehicle at the same time... Honestly new SUV emmissions aren't even 1/16th of that of a public trasportation bus. And how many of those are out running around across the country everyday? I just don't see the SUV thing as having any gravitas. Drop it please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    Looking at this it makes pretty good sense that the military favors the President over Senator Kerry by a two-to-one margin since there are twice as many Republicans in the service (according the article) than Democrats.
    Isnt Kerry gonna run a focus group to see what promises he can make to military families to get them to vote for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Isnt Kerry gonna run a focus group to see what promises he can make to military families to get them to vote for him?

    As usual, you missed the point of the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    As usual, you missed the point of the post.
    I think it is you that have missed the point. It appears that the men and women in our military overwhelmingly support the President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I think it is you that have missed the point. It appears that the men and women in our military overwhelmingly support the President.

    What does support or the lack of our President have to do with addressing the points raised at the start of this thread? No subsequent posts have addressed those points raised at the start. It wasn't about troop support of the president, it was about a particular mission and a few of the troops involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I think it is you that have missed the point. It appears that the men and women in our military overwhelmingly support the President.
    Obviously I failed to communicate my point in way that could be clearly understood ...

    Of course the military supports the Presdent, they mostly are Republicans (2 to 1, according to the article). If they were mostly Democrats, they would probably support Senator Kerry.

    Your inability to grasp the obvious amazes me. Apparently, you did not read the article past the first paragraph nor did you take the time to read my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribalenvy
    What does support or the lack of our President have to do with addressing the points raised at the start of this thread? No subsequent posts have addressed those points raised at the start. It wasn't about troop support of the president, it was about a particular mission and a few of the troops involved.
    You are correct. My bad for letting myself get off track ... you have my apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribalenvy
    What does support or the lack of our President have to do with addressing the points raised at the start of this thread? No subsequent posts have addressed those points raised at the start. It wasn't about troop support of the president, it was about a particular mission and a few of the troops involved.
    It was kitten's typical effort to bash the war. The people involved will probably get court martialed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    Obviously I failed to communicate my point in way that could be clearly understood ...

    Of course the military supports the Presdent, they mostly are Republicans (2 to 1, according to the article). If they were mostly Democrats, they would probably support Senator Kerry.

    Your inability to grasp the obvious amazes me. Apparently, you did not read the article past the first paragraph nor did you take the time to read my post.
    I read the article and your post. You are just having a problem with the fact that the majority of service people identify themselves as republicans. To you that's negative and I guess makes the article and survey suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    You missed the point but at least you didn't offer to help him. Small miracles do exist...
    I only offer help to you because you have a tendency to be soo far off base with your assumptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    ....why would you offer to help me?!
    I just want to make sure that there are no challanges against your reign as "Queen of Off Topic"
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I think it is you that have missed the point. It appears that the men and women in our military overwhelmingly support the President.
    I come into contact with military folks (both active duty and former) EVERY DAY in my job. Do you? I'm hearing something very different from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I just want to make sure that there are no challanges against your reign as "Queen of Off Topic"
    If I were you, I'd choose my battles verrrrrry carefully here, sparky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    I come into contact with military folks (both active duty and former) EVERY DAY in my job. Do you? I'm hearing something very different from them.
    Looks like you didnt bother to read the article
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