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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by tjd414
    Apples and tomatoes are both fruits. Perhaps apples and carrots would be better.
    I know they are both fruits. That was a critical point in my statement. They are in the same group but are quite different. Math theories and God theories are both still theories but they can't be compared.
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  2. #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by skillllllz
    Math theories are not taken personally. Nor do they govern ones way of life and thinking. Bad anaology... apples and tomatoes.

    Does that mean that any subject matter that is taken personally has to remain behind closed doors?

    (BTW, some mathematicians take their subject matter very personally)
  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    In some (some may argue a lot) cases it there isnt much choice...
    50 years ago in holland most people were protestants, if you decided to step out of the church you basically cut yourself away from the whole community..
    Lots has changed since.. but I can imagine in the middle east things are a still a lot like those times, where you only have a hypothetical choice..
    The choice to be ostracized is a valid choice. However, few have the courage to take/make it.

    Yet, when one is convinced of something, the choice becomes easier. Or, rather, the risk becomes worth it.
  4. #104  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    i.e.: my religion is the best and you should conform.

    What if your religion is the best? Doesn't it make sense that I conform? adopt? embrace?

    Aren't you proud of me? I didn't put MY religion forward as the best?
  5. #105  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    Does that mean that any subject matter that is taken personally has to remain behind closed doors?

    (BTW, some mathematicians take their subject matter very personally)
    I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you at all. Call me Switzerland. I just stepped in to point out a minor flaw in your otherwise excellent post.
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  6. #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by skillllllz
    I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you at all. Call me Switzerland. I just stepped in to point out a minor flaw in your otherwise excellent post.
    Speaking of Switzerland, where is clulup lately?
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  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    What if your religion is the best? Doesn't it make sense that I conform? adopt? embrace?

    Aren't you proud of me? I didn't put MY religion forward as the best?
    Didnt you say before that religion is a personal choice? arent you contradicting yourself now??
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  8. #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Speaking of Switzerland, where is clulup lately?
    On vacation in Greece....soaking up the sun and wine, no doubt.
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  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by skillllllz
    I know they are both fruits. That was a critical point in my statement. They are in the same group but are quite different. Math theories and God theories are both still theories but they can't be compared.
    True. However, both tomatoes and carrots are plant life, just like math and God theories are both theories.

    One of these theories is proven and based on deduction and fact (Math) and one is based on belief and faith (God). So, I am just suggesting that a more likely comparison would be fruits v. vegetables instead of fruits v. fruits.

    Just my .02.
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  10. #110  
    Well if thats the case, then I'd much rather compare apples to humans since they are both carbon based.
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  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by skillllllz
    Well if thats the case, then I'd much rather compare apples to humans since they are both carbon based.
    LOL!
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  12. #112  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Didnt you say before that religion is a personal choice? arent you contradicting yourself now??
    I don't think so. Choice indicates selection. Selection is usually from 2 or more options. For where there is but 1 option, a choice does not exist.

    Thus, when I compare my systems of beliefs and practices to another's, it is reasonable to expect that aspects of the other will prove more beneficial to me than of that to which I currently subscribe. And thus, I adopt them, or adopt a modified form of them.

    In the case where the comparison does not yield any greater value, I remain with what I have.

    Then of course, I have the choice to stick to my beliefs without regard for anything else -- a dangerous choice in my opinion, but a valid choice nonetheless.
  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    I don't think so. Choice indicates selection. Selection is usually from 2 or more options. For where there is but 1 option, a choice does not exist.
    Not necessarily. It's a binary world. If there is but 1 option, the other choice is to disregard that option.
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  14. #114  
    good point.
    Its important to point out all world views (including and excluding religious ones) are a choice. Whether you're religous or atheist everyone has their view of the universe and whether atheistic,panthesist,agnostic,christian,islamic etc. are all matters of faith. People tend to question issues of meaning,morality,destiny and origin. Whatever you believe, examine your beliefs and be certain you're satisfied with the answers that flow from your world view.
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  15. #115  
    Chick honey, enough already.
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