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    Wow! No punches pulled here!
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    Looks to me like the D's are out punching the Rs as the debate games rolls on.
    Mr. Ed scores with multiple hits on every topic Iraq, the budget, gay marriage, education, war on terror, Medicare even as Chaney pulled out his ace of spades “Mr. Ed’s trial history” Mr. Ed counter punched with Halliburton and Out Sourcing scoring another overall victory for the DNC.
    This kid who couldn’t get reelected in his own state talked circles around our beloved even tempered VP. Not much hope for Fridays debate either. So to keep history from repeating for Mr. Bush we better 1) find Ben 2) Stop losing solders 3) quadruple the jobs numbers 4) Find an accounting error in the deficit and most importantly release the Treo650. Then they may have a chance.
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    what debate are you watching?
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    I support GW that being said I cannot deny that both debates on a point by point basic have gone to the Dem’s. Now would I buy a car the these guys…

    Not a chance.
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    personally I don't any of the lot but I thought Kerry won the first debate and Cheney won this one...not even close
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    Quote Originally Posted by webslappy
    personally I don't any of the lot but I thought Kerry won the first debate and Cheney won this one...not even close
    Slappy...you're my hero
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    cg - as long as you don't sing that bette midler song, we're cool ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by webslappy
    cg - as long as you don't sing that bette midler song, we're cool ;-)
    That musta been b4 my time
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    I was not able to watch the debate, so I listened off and on via the radio. It was interesting and frankly, the VPs are better at this than the guys running for the office. Cheney came across as very prepared and unexcited. Edwards came across as an emotional person with at times something to prove.

    What bothered me though is that I actually got the chance to listen and was not distracted by their looks. Edwards repeated many times the same old stuff of the democratic party. He made it sound like I, average citizen, supported gay marriage. I do not. He made it sound like I, average citizen, supported abortion. I do not not. He made it sound like I, average citizen, though the economic situation of this country is bad. I do not - I watch the market very closely due to investments, and the economy is strong - nothing weak about it. He made it sound like I, average citizen, did not think that freedom is worth fighting for. Damn, he is so very wrong about that. He made it sound like I, average citizen, have not heard the many times that his buddy said something and then a bit later changed his stance - so many, many times on so many, many issues. He made it very apparent that his buddy says what he thinks I want to hear and changes his story as the situation changes.

    Cheney though spoke to me, average citizen and spoke of the problems we have and the good things we have. Frankly, knowing the condition of the economy, having a bit of interest in the military, I feel Cheney won. Speaking wise, buddy Edwards came on top. Facts and just down-right to the point, Cheney blew his arse away. Edwards was outclassed from the beginning.

    We speak of out sourcing - the republican party did not invent it. We speak of human rights, women's rights, racial equality et cetera. These areas of concern have gotten far more recognition now than in the past. Human rights, the right to life, the importance of protecting the innocent - not of interest to the democratic ticket. Women's rights and racial equality? Can anyone name any rights women have lost? There are none. Racial equality? It has improved under the Bush administration. How many blacks were in the Clinton administration? How many as advisors of signifcance? None. Not a one. How about under Bush? There is frankly no comparison here.

    The Democratic Party wants us all to believe the world is coming to an end. That without them everything is lost. The democrats need to take responsibility for their action - something they have been seriously avoiding for about four years. They lost because they lost and they need to get a life without Moore. Also, Moore definitely does not represent my values; he is nothing more than a story teller with a grudge.

    Ben
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    Personally I was surprised how well Edwards did, to me Cheney came across as evasive and more of a politician, several times he completely ignored the question and gave an answer on a topic he wanted to raise, Edwards came across as more sincere.
    Both candidates seemed equally well briefed about the other although I thought Edwards did a better job refuting Cheney's voting history attack than Cheney did refuting Edward's Halliburton one.
    Cheney comes across to me as out of touch with reality, he's the only one still trying to link Al Qaeda to Iraq even Rumsfeld now admits that it didn't exist.
    I live in California (which I know can be like another country) but the Bush/Cheney reality is different from the one that I live in, the economy is still not creating jobs, people really don't believe the war in Iraq has made America safer, the Republican party has just let the assault weapons ban expire and we have a government that's spending money, cutting taxes and running up the deficit like there's no tomorrow, we will be paying for the mistakes of this administration for the next decade. The administration is so focused on it's own support base that it puts it before even the war on terror, it has more government employees assigned to investigating pornography than it has tracking the financing of terrorist groups.
    In answer to the question what rights have women lost under this administration, my answer is they've lost the same as men, the patriot act gives the government the right to detain people without trial, access to legal representation or even having to acknowledge that a person is being held.
    Like it or not this administration will go down in history as illegitimate, the Democrats made one mistake in 2000, they weren't prepared to fight as dirty as the Republicans, I can only hope we are counting down it's last days.

    Ian
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    Republicans fighting dirty? Get real. No more than the democrats fighting clean.The democrats have thrown far more mud than the republicans. As for the assault weapons ban, please tell me how it affects you? It sure does not affect me. Cheney's Halliburton connection was not a very long one and it did not make Cheney millions. Look at Edwards and tell me who he got his millions from. For every time the republicans threw mud, the democrats were right there doing it with even more vigor. Look at today's trash and those throwing it - Moore - what a pile of crap he is. He is so out of touch with the America. Whoopie Goldberg? What an example. The cry babies on Ophrey? Loosers. I left the democratic party about 13 years ago when it left me. It no longer represents any of the values I grew up with. It has swung so far to the left that I no longer have any respect for it as a body. The party needs to move back to the middle and then it will truely represent average Joe. At this time though, it does not and the republican party has replaced it.

    Your deficiet is nothing like it was in the past. When compared to the GNP, it is lower than it has been in the past and it does not affect our current stability.

    As for the patriot act, who has suffered? I do believe it was supported by both the republicans and the democrats - am I not correct there? Again, who has suffered from it. No one.

    As for it being illegitimate? Who stated it was illegitimate? Only the democratic party. Nope. The democrats did not want to count the military vote. In those Florida counties that had problems with the vote count, each of those counties were solid democratic counties. Each of the recounts sponsored by the democrats also showed that Bush won. In addition, our presidential election is based on the Electoral College, not the popular vote. Take a gander through history and you just might be surprised at the role it has played. Gore and his cry-baby buddies need to get a life. They lost fair and square and remember, his father did not invent the Internet. Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Cheney comes across to me as out of touch with reality, he's the only one still trying to link Al Qaeda to Iraq even Rumsfeld now admits that it didn't exist.
    That's totally bogus. There's all kinds of evidence linking Al Qaeda to Iraq. Even the 9/11 Commission report acknowledges that. Rumsfeld was just on the news yesterday specifically making that point. The Democrats claim is the the Republicans are saying that Iraq was directly connected to the 9/11 attack. In fact, the Bush administration has said explicitly over and over again that there is no evidence to support that. Several times last night, Edwards said that the administration is claiming ties between Iraq and 9/11, and Cheney specifically stated that Iraq + 9/11 = NO, Iraq + Al-Qaeda = YES.

    The Dems have a clear strategy to try to confuse the two, thinking that it will sway poorly informed voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog
    The Dems have a clear strategy to try to confuse the two, thinking that it will sway poorly informed voters.
    Most of the people in the US believe that Iraq is directly connected with 911 - thats because of the Cheney-Bush distortion, plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Most of the people in the US believe that Iraq is directly connected with 911 - thats because of the Cheney-Bush distortion, plain and simple.
    Hey cellboy...if that's what "most" people believe, then "most" people will be voting for Bush. Thanks for the insight. Kerry can head home and wax up his skis because he won't be doing anything different in January then he did last year.
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    Another funny thing:

    Factcheck.org is letting it be known that Cheney misprepresented them last night.

    http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=272

    Last edited by cellmatrix; 10/06/2004 at 11:05 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Another funny thing:

    Factcheck.org is letting it be known that Cheney misprepresented them last night.

    http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=272

    cell - you've got some brass ones to post that article w\ the implication that they only refute his claims. They refute the claims of both candidates. The article is littered w\ false & slanted claims from both sides.

    Makes we go back to my earlier claim that I dislike all involved...and this is the best our country can do. pathetic.
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    I think Cell means the fact that Cheney suggested people go to factcheck.com... which is an anti-Bush site.
    Animo et Fide
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Most of the people in the US believe that Iraq is directly connected with 911 - thats because of the Cheney-Bush distortion, plain and simple.
    Show some evidence of administration officials claiming that Iraq was involved in 9/11, as opposed to Iraq being involved with Al-Qaeda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    I think Cell means the fact that Cheney suggested people go to factcheck.com... which is an anti-Bush site.
    actually factcheck is a bi-partisan site that checks into the statements that the candidates make. Cheney said that factcheck supported his tenure at Haliburton, when in reality, they only refute some of Kerry\Edward charges about Haliburton, not all of them.

    It's actually a pretty interesting site but it only confirmed what I've always thought about politicians...they never let the facts get in the way of a good story (sound bite)
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    Quote Originally Posted by webslappy
    actually factcheck is a bi-partisan site that checks into the statements that the candidates make. Cheney said that factcheck supported his tenure at Haliburton, when in reality, they only refute some of Kerry\Edward charges about Haliburton, not all of them.

    It's actually a pretty interesting site but it only confirmed what I've always thought about politicians...they never let the facts get in the way of a good story (sound bite)
    Webslappy, you're missing the point. Cheney said that people should go to factcheck.com, which is an anti-Bush site, when he meant they should go to factcheck.org, which is a neutral site. OK?
    Animo et Fide
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