View Poll Results: Who won the 1st presidential debate

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  • Bush

    18 20.69%
  • Kerry

    59 67.82%
  • Tie

    10 11.49%
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    I'm interested in the general pulse at Treocentral. Let's keep it civil...
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    I heard Joe Scarborough say that the Bush campaign needs to break this down into small soundbites and play them over and over again in commercials to convince people that Bush did not lose this debate badly. But I am sure Bush will rebound in the upcoming sessions, I think everyone is entitled to a bad night.

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    Last edited by cellmatrix; 09/30/2004 at 11:32 PM.
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    you know, john kerry did a fine job. I have to admit, he spoke well on several situations. he has a nice grasp on the issues - from what it appeared tonight.
    he did well. I think bush did fin€
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    bush did a fine job as well. I think it aided kerry because it introduced him to many who weren't familiar with him before.
    but I am looking forward to see how both men handle other issues in the debates to come. I think both did well.
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    Bush was devastated and he should cancel all following debates!
    But I’ll still vote for him.
    I don’t trust Kerry, I believe he will say anything he needs to get our vote.
    I think he (Kerry) voted for the war after reviewing the same information Bush was accessing, and Kerry still voted for the war. So now it’s a slip or misstatement thaqt he voted for and then againts the war.
    Why didn't our troops have tools they needed, because KERRY stopped the funding.
    Why would the STINKING French or Germans all of a sudden change their minds just because of Kerry. Keep in mind they were dealing with Iraq without regard to UN sanctions; selling weapons to Iraq to kill our troops while telling us they are our friends. Those spineless pigs. So how would Kerry get them to change their minds.

    GO BUSH!
    Last edited by lenman; 09/30/2004 at 11:56 PM.
    Sorry about the typing errors; I'm all thumbs.
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    yes, I agree lenman. I don't think the simple fact of having kerry in office will suddenly strike long reaching accord with previously opposing nations. if they oppose iraq now, they will oppose it then whether its kerry OR bush. I think that's just a fact.
    and I also agree on your comments on his voting for the war and now calling it the wrong war. I also think he just doesn't inspire you to think he will stick with decisions or that he has a better strategy on iraq. I heard no specifics - just generalizations.
    kerry did well. but like you I am still with W. there is an element of uncertainty regarding kerry's ability to stick with convictions and decisions.
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    Why did'nt W bring up Kerry's current (20yrs) voting record?
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    It wasn't easy for Bush to be the 'genial guy' as he would have probably liked to be.
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    please, peter. he was under attack by kerry - did you expect him to be jovial as this was happening?. lets be practical here.
    I gotta have more cowbell
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    of course not, but he looked like he was on the defensive and not controlling the debate.
    Animo et Fide
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    The following is my opinion...

    Many voters looked to Kerry as the "anybody but Bush" candidate but were hesitant because of media hype, flipflopping or perceived softness on the war. This first debate was a debate style forum which is Kerry's first real opportunity to look "Presidential." Kerry debates well, has some solid objectives laid out and the glimmer of what most Americans are looking for...leadership. Emotionally I think Kerry will wind up with a stronger bump in the poles as a result of this.

    Having said all this...

    Bush looked like Bush. He spoke on essentially the same points that he has been talking about since election or at least 911. No flub up's, just a conversation style of speach that makes he appear to be a straight shootin sun of a gun (pardon the pun) and sometimes less intellectual than Kerry. POint being in all this that I believe Bush will appear stronger in the next Town Hall style meeting and his Common Man delivery will indear him to Jack and Jill six pack.

    Lastly, Kerry laid out some interesting plans including one on one talks with North Korea, swift reduction of military strength in Iraq, increased funding for police, teachers, etc. How much exactly would all this (and more) cost, Senator Kerry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    I heard Joe Scarborough say that the Bush campaign needs to break this down into small soundbites and play them over and over again in commercials to convince people that Bush did not lose this debate badly.

    KERRY: "Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate. In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said, 'The enemy attacked us'.

    SADDAM HUSSEIN DIDN'T ATTACK US. OSAMA BIN LADEN ATTACKED US."


    And we MUST NOT forget about Poland!

    I feel an Orange Alert coming on...
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    Who won the debate?

    Kerry 53%
    Bush 37%
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ebate-poll.htm

    Kerry 78%
    Bush 18%
    http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/result...1.exclude.html

    Kerry 69%
    Bush 31%
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733/#survey

    Foxnews pulled their poll 15 minutes into the debate. But even they admit that "FOX News' political contributors largely agreed that Kerry came out ahead."
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134165,00.html
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    Any place you can watch it online? missed it last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Any place you can watch it online? missed it last night.
    I don't know a free link. On www.cnn.com there is an audio slide show. You can hear Bush's voice trembling... strong leader, ha!

    I liked this commentary by William Saletan (not everybody likes him, I am sure):http://slate.msn.com/id/2107517/
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
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    found the transscript:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...bate_0930.html

    A dutch site has some free footage:
    http://www.nos.nl/amerikakiest/artik...1/debat_1.html
    (click on NOS: tv-verslag presidentieel debat )
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    Given Bush's reputation for being brain-dead - years long not just campaign-rhetoric-born - I'd be surprised if anyone seriously thought Bush would "win" any debate.

    (whether or not one can "win" one of these entertainment shows is another thing - better to watch to try to get a glimpse of what differs between the two candidates. Beats the stupid ads that attack the other candidate more than boost one's own. Since i'm voting FOR someone to be president I wanna know what he's gonna do for me and the country. I wanna know what's RIGHT about that candidate. I literally couldn't care less what's wrong with the OTHER candidate.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaisersouse
    Lastly, Kerry laid out some interesting plans including one on one talks with North Korea, swift reduction of military strength in Iraq, increased funding for police, teachers, etc. How much exactly would all this (and more) cost, Senator Kerry?
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...bate_0930.html
    Kerry:
    "This president thought it was more important to give the wealthiest people in America a tax cut rather than invest in homeland security. Those aren't my values. I believe in protecting America first.

    And long before President Bush and I get a tax cut -- and that's who gets it -- long before we do, I'm going to invest in homeland security and I'm going to make sure we're not cutting COPS programs in America and we're fully staffed in our firehouses and that we protect the nuclear and chemical plants. "
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    Well lets take a look at the always "fair and balanced" New York Post.....

    http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/29511.htm

    FOES POUND EACH OTHER

    By DEBORAH ORIN and VINCE MORRIS
    October 1, 2004 -- CORAL GABLES, Fla. ? President Bush and John Kerry faced off last night in 2004's first presidential debate, trading nonstop blows over whether it was right to go to war in Iraq.

    Kerry was on the attack from the start and never let up, charging President Bush made a "colossal error of judgment" in attacking Iraq ? but Bush shot back that the United States is safer without Saddam Hussein.

    Bush recalled that Kerry once said anyone who disagreed about the need to get rid of Saddam wasn't fit to be president, adding, "I agree with him."

    But Kerry claimed he can keep America safer, and blamed Bush for Osama bin Laden's escape in Afghanistan because Bush "outsourced" the job to Afghan warlords.

    "Unfortunately, he escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. We had him surrounded. We didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill him. The president relied on Afghan warlords and outsourced that job, too," he said.

    Bush said the best way to defeat terrorists was "to never waver," adding that Kerry has repeatedly switched positions and sent mixed messages to Americans troops, allies and foes.

    "I understand everyone in this country doesn't agree with all the decisions I've made," Bush said, but added: "This nation of ours has got a solemn duty to defeat this ideology of hate."

    Kerry seemed far better prepared than Bush, ready to counter the president's points while Bush often repeated himself and at times seemed at a loss for words or defensive. The president even audibly sighed at times.

    By the time the debate was over, it seemed clear that Kerry had given himself a new lease on life and guaranteed that the campaign has a long way to run.

    Kerry was rated the clear winner in a CNN/Gallup poll immediately after the debate. It found that 53 percent said Kerry won the debate, compared with 37 percent who gave the nod to Bush.

    But the victory didn't help Kerry in the overall race ? an ABC News poll last night before the debate showed Bush with a 4-point edge, and a survey of the same group of voters after the debate found the president's margin hadn't changed.

    Kerry insisted during the debate he has a better plan to change things, while Bush's plan could be summed up in four words: "More of the same."

    Kerry also presented himself as tough, saying, "I have no intention of wilting" ? and insisted that he's never wavered.
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    PS....when it comes to allies,
    ... in the words of my 4th grade daughter this morning...

    "Don't forget Poland!"
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