View Poll Results: Do you believe there will be elections in Iraq in January?

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  • Yes, security will get better for some reason, elections in January possible

    4 19.05%
  • Elections will be possile in some areas, but not all, not eveybody will be allowed to vote

    11 52.38%
  • No, the elections will be postponed, e.g. after US elections are over

    5 23.81%
  • Don't know/no opinion

    1 4.76%
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  1.    #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Regarding your civil war comment, could you tell the difference between that and all that is going on now?
    Presently it is insurgents and terrorists vs. US (Multinational, if you prefer) forces and the people the US installed as interim government (including their representatives such as police officers, Iraqi soldiers, etc.).

    Civil war would be Sunni against Shiites against Kurds, Iraq falling totally apart as a nation. This is the worst case scenario in one of the recent CIA reports on possible future developments in Iraq.
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  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    And I suppose you're all for California's idea that it is wrong to ask for ID beyond the voter reg card?
    Californians already need to show drivers license and social security number in order to register to vote. The sponsor of the bill is talking about also requiring bringing a birth certificate or a passport to the election station in order to excercise the right to vote.

    It seems to me like this is a stab at trying to selectively disenfranchise voters. This seems like it is designed to limit voting, not enhance it. Also, I see that the San Diego league of Women Voters is against this bill.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1m20proof.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    voters were selectively disemphranchised in Florida 2000 election, US Commission on Civil Rights made this exceedingly clear.
    http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps1...3588/exsum.htm

    Republican Florida election Officials are being sued for selectively keeping voters out of the 2000 election:
    http://vevo.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?id=2412

    So if these groups were allowed to vote, Florida would have gone to Gore. And because it worked so well last time, Kathy Harris' replacement will keep the same policies and the election will be flawed again in Florida.
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...r_040927140201
    That would be the Commission on Civil Rights chaired by Mary Frances Berry, probably the most divisive, partisan, and frankly racist leaders in that organization's history. The same Mary Frances Berry who was a player in the whole "Republican racists are burning black churches" scam during the 1996 election, and who refused to allow any dissenting viewpoints into that report. A report, by the way, that is so blatantly biased and unsubstantiated that it received almost no mainstream credibility.

    And lest we forget, almost all of the counties with significant voting irregularities were run by Democrats.

    Of course, anyone not blinded by ideology (and who was paying attention) knows that the whole recount fiasco would never even have happened if the TV networks hadn't called Florida for Gore while the polls were still open in the heavily Republican panhandle. A study commissioned by Bob Beckel, Mondale's campaign manager and one of the most partisan Democrats in America, was forced to concede that the premature call probably cost Bush a net of 8,000 votes.
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  4. #24  
    So President Carter, who supports these views is just a blinded idealogue? A great many people know there is ample room for debate on who should have won the Florida election, but further analysis of the votes was rendered null by the Supreme Court in a 5:4 decision split along idealogical (partisan) lines.
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 09/29/2004 at 03:02 PM.
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    when was Jimmy Carter blinded? what a bummer. Don't see too many blind guys building Habitat for Humanity houses. Back to the peanut farm I guess.
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  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    when was Jimmy Carter blinded? what a bummer. Don't see too many blind guys building Habitat for Humanity houses. Back to the peanut farm I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACDriver
    Do they make sonar hammers?
    Isnt that what Ray Charles had in his piano??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    So President Carter, who supports these views is just a blinded idealogue?
    Yes, he is. I'll give him credit for his "Habitat for Humanity" stuff, but he has been an embarassment on the international stage for a long time. Try googling Jimmy Carter Chavez Venezuela election, and see what Venezuelan small-d democrats think of him. Not to mention the way he sold us down the river vis-a-vis North Korea.

    Obviously, you know where to find the leftie defense of Carter, so here's a mainstream conservative view, albeit somewhat dated.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/flashb...nger121002.asp

    Here is another perspective from the other side of the aisle re: the current Florida debate:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110005682
    Last edited by Talldog; 09/29/2004 at 06:21 PM.
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    #29  
    Why is it the majority of technology/bbs people are always left leaning? I just don't get it. Are you all disgruntled unemployed people put out of business by a cheap indian programmer or something???

    Reality is, the terrorists know that an attack on the US before the elections would help Bush. Be honest to yourself and decide who Osama would vote for.

    However, problems in Iraq would hurt Bush since our liberal media loves to make it sound like everybody in that country is being killed everyday versus all the good that is happening. There will probably be a serious "bang" in Iraq before our election in order to hurt Bush.

    Saddam killed well over 300,000 people, and only a few thousand Iraqi's have died since we got involved (most of whom were killed by other Iraqi's and al queda).
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  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by mulcher
    Be honest to yourself and decide who Osama would vote for.
    George Bush without a doubt. Bush kills lots of arabs not connected with al queda, and in doing so incites more arab radicalism and hatred of the US. In short, Bush is bin Ladin's greatest recruiting tool. And Bush seems more interested in getting bogged down in Irag than in chasing bin ladin, who has been running free for years now after 911 during Bush's watch. I mean why would bin ladin want anyone else but Bush!
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 09/29/2004 at 10:54 PM.
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog
    Yes, he is. I'll give him credit for his "Habitat for Humanity" stuff, but he has been an embarassment on the international stage for a long time. Try googling Jimmy Carter Chavez Venezuela election, and see what Venezuelan small-d democrats think of him. Not to mention the way he sold us down the river vis-a-vis North Korea.

    Obviously, you know where to find the leftie defense of Carter, so here's a mainstream conservative view, albeit somewhat dated.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/flashb...nger121002.asp

    Here is another perspective from the other side of the aisle re: the current Florida debate:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110005682
    Talldog, I respect that you have read about this and are honestly trying to come up with credible arguments. But I think it boils down to perspective and I believe that the majority of Americans would not be catergorizing Carter as a goofball when it comes to an appreciation of foreign policy. I do not frankly think that Venezuela is a major threat to our national interests. As far as North Korea, this is one of the most serious threats to us, which is getting worse, and the North Koreans realize we are too distracted by Iraq to effectively deal with them.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Hey Kit...the US Presidential election is Nov2, the election in Iraq is slated for January so no need to fear.
    Ah, that is good to hear, I mixed up the dates
    Thanks for pointing that out.

    Which brings me to the question, why does rumsfeld try to push this part election so much over postponing it so you can get a real election
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  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I reread my post and I dont see that I alluded to that idea at all. I said it seems that most of the posters in this thread think the election is bogus. I said nothing about safety.
    Thats why I was asking...
    do you think a partly election with a possible civil war is better then postponing the election till it is safe?
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    #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Talldog, I respect that you have read about this and are honestly trying to come up with credible arguments. But I think it boils down to perspective and I believe that the majority of Americans would not be catergorizing Carter as a goofball when it comes to an appreciation of foreign policy. I do not frankly think that Venezuela is a major threat to our national interests. As far as North Korea, this is one of the most serious threats to us, which is getting worse, and the North Koreans realize we are too distracted by Iraq to effectively deal with them.
    I'm not trying to "come up with credible arguments", I've been following Carter's career as ex-president for a long time. Carter is a classic "flower child" type, with a fondness (gullibility, actually) for left-wing totalitarians, and a blame America first attitude toward his own country. The point about Venezuela was not that they're a threat to us, it's that Carter appears to, once again, have been duped on the international stage. All the polls prior to the election
    showed Chavez losing by double digits (59-41). Several exit polls on the day of the election showed the same double digit margin, but when the results were announced, they were almost exactly reversed. When people took to the streets to protest the apparent theft of the election, they were shot down by Chavez supporters. Carter, of course, certified the election as honest and aboveboard.

    With respect to North Korea, why do you think they're such a serious threat? Because Carter was a credulous fool whose kumbaya attitude toward foreign affairs allowed him to be completely snookered by Kim Il Sung into signing a phony "agreement" to end NK's nuclear program. Of course, by the end of Clinton's second term, he knew North Korea was cheating and turned a blind eye to it, but that's another discussion.
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  15. #35  
    I'm sitting at the park right now watching my kid play. One kid does another wrong. They will never be friends again. The kids team up against each other. They take their toys and won't share. Then one goes over to the other side. The two groups get closer. They talk. Toys are exchanged again. Everyone is happy again. Some°
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    Damn Treo soft reseted during post...
    I'm sitting at the park right now watching my kid play. One kid does another wrong. They will never be friends again. The kids team up against each other. They take their toys and won't share. Then one goes over to the other side. The two groups get closer. They talk. Toys are exchanged again. Everyone is happy again. Someone broke someone elses toy. They will never be friends again....
    Politics begin in the playground. Some kids grow up to lead a normal life. Others become politicians.
    I know this may not be relevent, but don't we live in a ****ed up world? You can have my toys.
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  17.    #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by mulcher
    Reality is, the terrorists know that an attack on the US before the elections would help Bush. Be honest to yourself and decide who Osama would vote for.
    Sorry, I missed this yesterday... I totally agree with Cellmatrix. There cannot be the slightest doubt that Bin Laden would vote for Bush. Bush is Osama's greatest ally. Keep in mind what bin Laden's goals are: Driving the US out of Saudia Arabia, stop the influence of the US and the Western World on Muslim countries, start a holy war between the Muslim world and the West.

    Bush does exactely what bin Laden and the rest of Al Qaida wants him to: increase hatred for the US in the Muslim world, showing his total bias towards Sharon (not even Israel in general), offer the terrorists a playground in Iraq on which they can prove that they can win against the US, give the terrorists the possibility to kidnap and kill American civilians and other foreigners in Iraq, etc., etc. Bin Laden LOVES the way Bush acts and behaves, you can be sure about that.
    Saddam killed well over 300,000 people, and only a few thousand Iraqi's have died since we got involved (most of whom were killed by other Iraqi's and al queda ).
    In fact, about 10'000 Iraqi civilians and about 20'000 Iraqi soldiers were killed "since you got involved", even before the insurgency started. Strange that you don't seem to know or care about how many Iraqis were killed during the bombardments before "mission accomplished". That the killing still goes on does not make things better, of course.
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  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Which brings me to the question, why does rumsfeld try to push this part election so much over postponing it so you can get a real election
    I certainly dont think Rumsfeld has anything to do with the election. My guess is when the Boss says January, it's January
    Last edited by clairegrrl; 09/30/2004 at 01:47 PM.
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  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I certainly dont think Rumsfield has anything to do with the election. My guess is when the Boss says January, it's January
    when you say Boss do you mean Karl Rove or **** Cheney?
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