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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by camartin
    This problem doesn't require body armour and is not completely in control of the military (as companies operating in Iraq should be compelled through morale obligation to reasonably protect their workers with technology that exists today (how many workers in Iraq have a $2k laptop and are making over $100k/per year due to hazardous conditions...I don't see a non-easily detachable ankle bracelet (etc.) costing much more than what workers are supplied already. Funding this would be the easy part.

    If GM can supply how many thousands of cars with On-Star, why can't this be worked out? Think back to the WWII days when critical war supplies were rationed to those who need them the most.
    What you are saying is perfectly logical. It makes darn good sense. Sheesh, my dog has a microchip!
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    This is a wonderful idea, but there is a shortage of weapons and body armor right now in Iraq, so if our troops can't get those, the GPS devices are even more out of the question.
    Why do you keep pushing that line?

    Iraq Troops Now Have Body Armor
    Associated Press
    June 8, 2004
    http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...060804,00.html
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  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    Why do you keep pushing that line?

    Iraq Troops Now Have Body Armor
    Associated Press
    June 8, 2004
    http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...060804,00.html
    I find it ignorant and offensive that you refer to my statements as a "line". This IS and HAS BEEN a huge problem and it has been in the press on numerous occasions. I saw it when I was there last fall and I'm told DAILY by returning soldiers that it continues to be a problem.
  4. #64  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    I find it ignorant and offensive that you refer to my statements as a "line". This IS and HAS BEEN a huge problem and it has been in the press on numerous occasions. I saw it when I was there last fall and I'm told DAILY by returning soldiers that it continues to be a problem.
    You say...the AP says as of June 8th that that prob has been resolved. "The Army's top supply commander said Monday that all American troops in Iraq are now equipped with bullet-resistant vests, after a shortage that led many soldiers to pay for costly body armor themselves."
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  5. #65  
    I'm not going to address the amazing lack of understanding of the violent political struggles the bumbling unseating of the past Iraqi gov't has unleashed.

    I will address the fact that these brutal beheadings are barbaric and cruel, and no one deserves anything close.

    But the fact remains, any non-military or gov't employee, US citizen, placing themselves in that near civil war environment, is doing so purely for $$ and has to accept the risks that come with that big $$.
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    #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    I'm a she and the "it" comment is inappropriate. But you knew that.
    If you truely were a kitty, "it" would have been appropriate
  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    You say...the AP says as of June 8th that that prob has been resolved. "The Army's top supply commander said Monday that all American troops in Iraq are now equipped with bullet-resistant vests, after a shortage that led many soldiers to pay for costly body armor themselves."
    After reading your comments in the CBS Memo thread, I assumed you knew better than to believe everything you read in the press.

    Maybe you and your Abercrombie could shuffle over to the nearest Veteran's center and talk to some of the guys who've returned recently about the equipment shortages.

    Here's a list:

    http://www.appc1.va.gov/directory/gu...divisionid=ALL

    I know the directors of several Departments in centers in Colorado, so if you want I can probably set you up with a tour if you are near one of them. You can see the rehab facilities where amputees who've lost limbs in Iraq are receiving physical therapy. You never know, it could be an enlightening experience for you.
    Last edited by Eurokitty; 09/21/2004 at 11:55 PM.
  8. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    I'm not going to address the amazing lack of understanding of the violent political struggles the bumbling unseating of the past Iraqi gov't has unleashed.

    I will address the fact that these brutal beheadings are barbaric and cruel, and no one deserves anything close.

    But the fact remains, any non-military or gov't employee, US citizen, placing themselves in that near civil war environment, is doing so purely for $$ and has to accept the risks that come with that big $$.
    The civilian contractors are being paid way more money than the civilian government employees are. When I went there, I got my regular salary plus hazard pay and night differential - which considering the danger, wasn't that much more. Truck drivers working for Halliburton are making 120K for six months of work there.

    I went not for money, but because it is important in my job for me to SEE the conditions our soldiers are operating in. This helps me do a better job of helping them when they come back home.
  9. #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    Maybe you and your Abercrombie could shuffle over to the nearest Veteran's center and talk to some of the guys who've returned recently about the equipment shortages.
    I appreciate your invitation, however, I will take the thoughts and impressions of my Uncle who has just returned from Iraq and has been there 6 or 7 times during the past year. He is an Army Ranger, a Major attached to US Special Operations Command at McDill AFB in Tampa. He spends 8 weeks in Fla and then 6 weeks in Iraq, then back again. The stories that he has told, certainly paint a different picture then the gloom and doom that you portray. While I am soo sorry that some of our soldiers get hurt, and even die, the difference in listening to a career military officer and you is like night and day. There are those that may believe you here, and maybe even agree with some of the things that you say, but some of your comments are not always accurate. You have your own agenda. BTW...I dont shop at Abercrombie. I'm a J Crew girl.
    Last edited by clairegrrl; 09/22/2004 at 12:26 AM.
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  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I appreciate your invitation, however, I will take the thoughts and impressions of my Uncle who has just returned from Iraq and has been there 6 or 7 times during the past year. He is an Army Ranger, a Major attached to US Special Operations Command at McDill AFB in Tampa. He spends 8 weeks in Fla and then 6 weeks in Iraq, then back again. The stories that he has told, certainly paint a different picture then the gloom and doom that you portray. While I am soo sorry that some of our soldiers get hurt, and even die, the difference in listening to a career military officer and you is like night and day. There are those that may believe you here, and maybe even agree with some of the things that you say, but some of your comments are not always accurate. You have your own agenda. BTW...I dont shop at Abercrombie. I'm a J Crew girl.
    Talk to some of the ENLISTED grunts sometime. I would certainly love to hear the stories of kittens and rainbows in Iraq that your Uncle has to tell. Please share.
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  12. #72  
    let civilians accept the risks, but they did not count on civil war and no go zones and we were probably telling them the neighborhood is generally safe, meanwhile reports of the July NIE make civil war predictions appear on target; some senior military officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into an unprecedented disaster . http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...305360,00.html

    Our grunts are not getting paid enough. Free food is made available by volunteers at Pendleton http://www.cfbf.com/agalert/2003/04_09_03_a_aa.aspx because grunts paychecks s--k. Officers are excellent. Period. And be sure to ask the grunts how they are doing....

    bullet resistant vests are a start, (Hack's Target August 23, 2004) but "Are truckers expendable?" http://www.sftt.org/hackstarget.html
    "Four of the [Wounded in Actions] were from [Small Arms Fire] to the arms and legs coming through the fiberglass doors of the vehicle. 89th does not have any armor on their vehicles and all efforts to procure or locally purchase have been rejected by the 57th Trans Bn commander ... the BC (Merced) does not see the need and said that armor for 89th is not a priority. M915 armor kits are in Kuwait and are being used by USAR/NG units. It makes no sense to send units on the road under today's conditions without even rudimentary protection from SAF, especially when it's available for about $15K a truck."
  13. #73  
    OK, another thread that has gone the way of name calling, angry emotional burst outs and off topic political stuff...
    Closing this one... pity, for a while things looked they they went back on track..
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