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    According to the Washington Post:

    "Both sides have already begun portraying the opposing candidate as a tremendous debater, as part of the quadrennial ritual of trying to lower expectations for the nominees' performances. Kerry strategist Joe Lockhart told reporters in a conference call Friday that he would "challenge anyone to name a major debate that George Bush has been in where he hasn't been considered the winner."

    "Matthew Dowd, the Bush-Cheney campaign's chief strategist, said in an interview earlier this month that Kerry "is very formidable, and probably the best debater ever to run for president." "I'm not joking," Dowd added. "I think he's better than Cicero," the ancient Roman orator. "But I think it'll be a very good thing for the American public to see these two men stand side by side. You can't hide who you are."

    Let the games begin.
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    I wonder if Kerry will be able to contradict himself during the debates. I mean after all, they are 90 minutes
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    Contradictg himself during the debates? He does it during his speeches. The better debator by far is Bush and is also easier to listen to. His style comes across as one that is much more relaxed. The kind of guy you wanna talk to at the ball game. Kerry as one preaching to the choir about himself and his days in Viet Nam and unfortunately favors all of the teams. What a joke trying to be "the common man."

    Ben
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    Yeah, Bush is much better at that kind of pretence. He's no more 'common' than Kerry is he? Comes across all homespun though.
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    Of the four, Kerry, Edwards, Bush and Cheney, I read that Bush was the "poorest". I guess that would make him the common man
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    Well, Kerry is a big shot because of his wife, so he tends to come off a bit more like he has to prove himself. Bush, I think, just doesn't have the brainpower to both talk and worry about what he's saying so he just goes with the flow. . .



    okay I'm done now. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekara
    Bush, I think, just doesn't have the brainpower to both talk and worry about what he's saying . . .
    Ignorance is underestimating intellect based on its verbal expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekara
    Bush, I think, just doesn't have the brainpower to both talk and worry about what he's saying so he just goes with the flow. . .
    "President George W. Bush is the very first President to hold a Masters Degree in Business Administration. Even better (or worse, depending on your perspective), his MBA is from Harvard Business School, where postgraduate management training was invented in the early part of the last century, and which to many stands as a symbol of the good, the bad, and the ugly faces of modern management. Harvard MBAs indisputably lead more major corporations, receive higher starting salaries fresh out of school, and carry with them more élan and glamour than the graduates of any rival business schools..."
    http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=3378

    I would suggest that GWB's educational background is probably superior to your own, and it is dishonest of you to try to smear the President's intellectual abilities.
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    I got onto this discussion late, but I see that it was a pretty good one.

    Clairgirrl I love the way you put the russian in his place by assuming he/she has no education. That was really smart of you to think of that one.

    And Ben I am glad that you made it clear to us how much of a common man Bush is, yes he is the kind of guy you see at a ball game (because his daddy bought the team for him).

    Keep it up, you really do not need any opposing views here, you are entertaining just by yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Clairgirrl I love the way you put the russian in his place ....
    Just because a person goes to the University of Idaho doesnt make them Russian...even if the campus is in Moscow
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    You know Clairegrll, sometimes we clash, but sometimes you keep me in line too. I do appreciate your letting me know when I am totally wrong, like now.
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    The debates, I think, will be the best comedy show on television so far this season.

    The posts here ABOUT the debates will likely be even funnier.
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    they better turn the air condition low & ban the use of fans at the debates. . too many air currents may cause kerry the weathermane to change direction several times throughout the debate on the spot.
    they should do an snl skit on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    I wonder if Kerry will be able to contradict himself during the debates. I mean after all, they are 90 minutes
    Am I the only person who thinks the flip-flop thing is getting old?
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    don't you think when we ignore the times when Bush changed posiitons, and just put down Kerry, we are being sort of hypocritical? Bush changes his positions quite a bit and for the record, here are a few examples:

    In September 2001, Bush said he wanted bin Laden “dead or alive”; in March 2002, he said during a press conference, “I just don't spend that much time on him. ... I truly am not that concerned about him.” And in his speech to the Republican National Convention, Bush did not mention bin Laden’s name once.

    The President recently flip-flopped dramatically on the subject of political advertising by 527 groups. In 2000, Bush strongly defended such advertising as "what freedom of speech is all about"; he now condemns such ads (and, apparently, "freedom of speech") as “bad for the system.

    In 2000, Bush argued against new military entanglements and nation building. He's done both in Iraq.

    He opposed a Homeland Security Department, then embraced it.

    He opposed creation of an independent Sept. 11 commission, then supported it. He first refused to speak to its members, then agreed only if Vice President **** Cheney came with him.


    Bush argued for free trade, then imposed three-year tariffs on steel imports in 2002, only to withdraw them after 21 months.


    Last month, he said he doubted the war on terror could be won, then reversed himself to say it could and would.


    "I'm a war president," Bush told NBC's Meet the Press on Feb. 8. But in a July 20 speech in Iowa, he said: "Nobody wants to be the war president. I want to be the peace president."
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 09/30/2004 at 07:30 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    "I'm a war president," Bush told NBC's Meet the Press on Feb. 8. But in a July 20 speech in Iowa, he said: "Nobody wants to be the war president. I want to be the peace president."
    I'll give him the benefit on the doubt on this one.. even though he is a war pres, that doesnt mean he has to like that...
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    OK, maybe so, but aren't the other things major shifts in policy? Am I the only one who thinks this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    OK, maybe so, but aren't the other things major shifts in policy? Am I the only one who thinks this?
    No, I agree with you on the other issues.. that is why Bush is just as much a flip-flopper and why this whole flip-flop thing is such a joke..
    If you think about it, if the only bad thing they can find about kerry is the fact he changes policies/point of view, a thing all politicians do, he must be really clean.. IMHO it is a pretty weak argument not to vote for him. I'm not a big Kerry fan, but this flipflop thing is a joke..
    I'd pick a flexible person over a stubborn one anyday..
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    I'm interested to see what color Kerry's face is at the debate. Have you seen pictures of his orange face? He was pretty funny looking a couple of days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Am I the only person who thinks the flip-flop thing is getting old?
    No...in the US there's like 135 million people that wish Kerry would give a straight answer
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