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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I agree with you, but can you tone down the sarcasm a bit? (especially the last sentence isnt really needed)
    Sorry, I am sarcastic. Thats me. Nothing in the fact about sarcasm being against the rules.
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    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  2.    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Sorry, I am sarcastic. Thats me. Nothing in the fact about sarcasm being against the rules.
    From time to time I can be very sarcastic too, nothing wrong with that..
    But sometimes it is counterproductive or even plain rude...

    I didnt edit your text because I feel it is (just) within the rules of decency, but I did want to point it out to you...
    I think you mean wel and have a lot of interesting points, but sometimes your delivery messes that up, I personally find that a pity...
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  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Sorry, I am sarcastic. Thats me. Nothing in the fact about sarcasm being against the rules.
    It's not about the sarcasm, it's more about whether the rude comments and ad hominem attacks add anything of value to the community.
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Methinks you'll be wrong. Clearly your understanding of the first amendement is a little cloudy. See the posts by Mr Heberman and Mr Ramsauer.
    Uhoh. I'm being cited. Don't think I like that precedent.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    From time to time I can be very sarcastic too, nothing wrong with that..
    But sometimes it is counterproductive or even plain rude...

    I didnt edit your text because I feel it is (just) within the rules of decency, but I did want to point it out to you...
    I think you mean wel and have a lot of interesting points, but sometimes your delivery messes that up, I personally find that a pity...

    Thanks for not editing my post. That would have been a grievous abuse of your power as a moderator. I say that because I dont believe you have the right to edit posts because you dont agree with them. Maybe you do. If thats the case then there is seriously something wrong with this forum.

    Not to mention there was nothing in my post worth editing. I asked questions trying to determine how Eurokitty could possible know there would be a lawsuit in this case. When I see posts that have no basis in fact (again how could she possibly know there would be) I am amazed. I wanted to know how she knew. That I got sarcastic is irrelevant. If people would just answer the questions and quit crying about "adhominem attacks" these conversations wouldnt degrade so quickly.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Thanks for not editing my post. That would have been a grievous abuse of your power as a moderator. I say that because I dont believe you have the right to edit posts because you dont agree with them. Maybe you do. If thats the case then there is seriously something wrong with this forum.
    This is a privately run forum. The Administrators here can ban anyone, for any reason, at will. They can also edit posts they deem inappropriate. By the same token, if you don't like the way they choose to run the forum, you can choose to stop participating.
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    It's not about the sarcasm, it's more about whether the rude comments and ad hominem attacks add anything of value to the community.
    Rude comments? What was rude? I didnt say anything rude. I didnt call you names or say you were fat or smelly or anything else that normal people might consider rude. What was it? I dont see how calling you clairvoyant was rude. Please explain!

    Is ad hominem a magic bulllet for you? I notice you throw it up like a hairball when you dont want to answer a question. Why dont you just go back and answer the question instead of crying about attacks.

    While youre at it, explain to us simple folk how asking question is an attack. It's only an attack if you dont like the questions. Politicians do that alot. Are you a poloitician?

    I think you throw up the attack thing when you dont have answers. Why else would you hide behind it. Youve done that a few times now. You evidently dont like people calling your bluff.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Rude comments? What was rude? I didnt say anything rude. I didnt call you names or say you were fat or smelly or anything else that normal people might consider rude. What was it? I dont see how calling you clairvoyant was rude. Please explain!

    Is ad hominem a magic bulllet for you? I notice you throw it up like a hairball when you dont want to answer a question. Why dont you just go back and answer the question instead of crying about attacks.

    While youre at it, explain to us simple folk how asking question is an attack. It's only an attack if you dont like the questions. Politicians do that alot. Are you a poloitician?

    I think you throw up the attack thing when you dont have answers. Why else would you hide behind it. Youve done that a few times now. You evidently dont like people calling your bluff.
    Dogs always bark the loudest when you get close to their house.....
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    Dogs always bark the loudest when you get close to their house.....

    Again, cant answer the questions. Scaredy cat. Cant back up your argument and to afraid to admit it so you change tactics. Weak, really weak.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    This is a privately run forum. The Administrators here can ban anyone, for any reason, at will. They can also edit posts they deem inappropriate. By the same token, if you don't like the way they choose to run the forum, you can choose to stop participating.
    Really? Gosh thanks for that tip.

    Why have an off topic area where discussions are often passionate if youre going to cry about every little thing. Of course it would help if somepeople werent crying about personal attacks all the time. IMO opinion if you cant handle what is said in these discussions and think its personal, you have no business being here.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Really? Gosh thanks for that tip.

    IMO opinion if you cant handle what is said in these discussions and think its personal, you have no business being here.
    Are you a TC Admin?
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurokitty
    Are you a TC Admin?

    Cool an opportunity to show you how ridiulously simple it is to answer a question. Maybe you be able to learn from this and go back and answer those that have been posed to you.

    No.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    While youre at it, explain to us simple folk how asking question is an attack. It's only an attack if you dont like the questions.
    ***Moderators, please don't close this thread, what follows is an experiment***

    [Experiment]Woof, why are you such an idi*t?[/Experiment]

    This was a question. Did it feel like an attack? Note that I don't really think you are an idi*t
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Sorry, I am sarcastic. Thats me. Nothing in the fact about sarcasm being against the rules.
    Do you know what "sarcasm" means? According to Webster: "a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain". I don't see why you take pride in being sarcastic. Besides, sarcasm as described in the Merriam Webster definition IS against the rules of this forum. Try irony, the fun version of sarcasm.

    I have another question: Do you always have to be nice and friendly in your job, so that we have to suffer from you venting your anger here?
    This was a question, too, but also one that is bordering a personal attack . Anyway, "suffer" is not the right word, because we can always choose to ignore.
    Last edited by clulup; 08/24/2004 at 10:28 AM.
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    ***Moderators, please don't close this thread, what follows is an experiment***

    [Experiment]Woof, why are you such an idi*t?[/Experiment]

    This was a question. Did it feel like an attack? Note that I don't really think you are an idi*t
    Do you know what "sarcasm" means? According to Webster: "a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain". I don't see why you take pride in being sarcastic. Besides, sarcasm as described in the Merriam Webster definition IS against the rules of this forum. Try irony, the fun version of sarcasm.

    I have another question: Do you always have to be nice and friendly in your job, so that we have to suffer from you venting your anger here?
    Note to self: If you claim experiment and ask mods not to intervene you can say whatever.

    Fact is clulup, I dont care if you think I am an *****. That isnt to topic of discussion. I am not so thin skinned that comments that people make in a passionate display of their opinion on a subject, get under my skin. It doesnt matter to me.

    I do get what youre saying tho. I guess maybe if I go back and politely ask my questions of Eurokitty without sarcasm she'll have no problem answering them. We'll see huh?

    Maybe it would just be easier on the mods if we had a bunch of canned phrases that we could post. No one would get offended and this would always be a happy playground.

    Your last question was sarcastic. I am rarely angry and certainly not here. I get amused here. Suffering is a choice here.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Do you know what "sarcasm" means? According to Webster: "a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain". I don't see why you take pride in being sarcastic. Besides, sarcasm as described in the Merriam Webster definition IS against the rules of this forum. Try irony, the fun version of sarcasm.
    Now let me move the bold so that you can see the irony of your statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Do you know what "sarcasm" means? According to Webster: "a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain". I don't see why you take pride in being sarcastic. Besides, sarcasm as described in the Merriam Webster definition is against the rules of this forum. Try irony, the fun version of sarcasm.
    Sarcasm is a version of irony, not the other way round.
    (When I'm bored I like to get pedantic)
    Animo et Fide
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    (When I'm bored I like to get pedantic)
    I'm sure you are a magnificent quality manager when you are bored.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    I'm sure you are a magnificent quality manager when you are bored.
    In my job I'm always pedantic that IS my job
    Animo et Fide
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I am not so thin skinned that comments that people make in a passionate display of their opinion on a subject, get under my skin. It doesnt matter to me.
    Let me assure you that your comments make others angry. Being an elephant is not a prerequisite for being in this forum. It's ok if you have the skin of an elephant (though not desirable from an estetical point of view), others don't, try to keep that in mind.
    I guess maybe if I go back and politely ask my questions of Eurokitty without sarcasm she'll have no problem answering them.
    Brilliant idea. I can help you check your posts for unintentional sarcasm.

    Maybe it would just be easier on the mods if we had a bunch of canned phrases that we could post. No one would get offended and this would always be a happy playground.
    Ok, I already found one example...
    I am rarely angry and certainly not here. I get amused here. Suffering is a choice here.
    You certainly sound angry to many. You may be the only one amused, which is no good for the rest...
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by clulup
    Let me assure you that your comments make others angry. Being an elephant is not a prerequisite for being in this forum. It's ok if you have the skin of an elephant (though not desirable from an estetical point of view), others don't, try to keep that in mind.
    Brilliant idea. I can help you check your posts for unintentional sarcasm.

    Ok, I already found one example...
    You certainly sound angry to many. You may be the only one amused, which is no good for the rest...
    Yunno I for one come here to discuss topics that are interesting to me. I am not here to make anyone happy, feel good or otherwise massage someone's ego.
    You can spend your time trying to make everyone feel good (typical liberal perspective) if you want, by all means.

    But then maybe it would better for everyone here who is overly sensitive if all my posts consisted of feel good thoughts and encouragement. I could get away from disagreeing, completely setting aside my opnion in the interest of the group, and just make statements of positive affirmation.

    Bah!
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    But then maybe it would better for everyone here who is overly sensitive if all my posts consisted of feel good thoughts and encouragement. I could get away from disagreeing, completely setting aside my opnion in the interest of the group, and just make statements of positive affirmation.
    Great! Finally you got it! I knew I wasn't wasting my time on you!
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
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