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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I see. Youre saying the common person isnt good enought to help his fellow man. You think youre smarter and can fix the world if you just have the money. Or is it you think that only you can be trusted to do the right thing and everyone else should be forced. That my friend is why conservatives despise liberals.
    IMHO the common person is willing enough, but if it hurts him directly he will back out of his good intentions..
    However if you raise tax (which I personally hate just as much as you) people won't notice the the diff. as much.
    Same thing with insurance, in the US tax rates are really low, but insurance is all personally organized, how many millions of people are uninsured??
    I feel sometime you got to protect people against themselfs.. it actually improves the lifestyle of people that way...
    It's a fine line, mind you, since you got to keep promoting productivity (this was the mayor flaw of communism). But raising tax levels to pay for proper social security is a good thing IMHO..

    And before you start namecalling, no I am not a communist or a socialist..
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  2. #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I understand you value priciples, which is fine, but on the other hand the job of a politician is to do the will of the people, not his personal convictions...
    Actually, the job of a politician is to do what's best for the public, which is not necessarily the will of the public. Politicians need public virtue to outweigh self-interest.
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  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    Actually, the job of a politician is to do what's best for the public, which is not necessarily the will of the public. Politicians need public virtue to outweigh self-interest.
    Good point.
    But, a politician is merely a representive of the people, so he should care what the people think and with that info do what it best for the public..without personal interest...

    That is why I feel Bush is doing a bad job, he is pushing his and his buddy's agenda, and not putting the american people or for that matter the people of the worlds interest first..
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  4. #104  
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  5. #105  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Good point.
    But, a politician is merely a representive of the people, so he should care what the people think and with that info do what it best for the public..without personal interest...
    Agreed.

    That is why I feel Bush is doing a bad job, he is pushing his and his buddy's agenda, and not putting the american people or for that matter the people of the worlds interest first..
    OK, we can agree to disagree there.
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  6.    #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by miradu
    I've been watching this thread since the begining, fearful of where it could go. Please remember that personal attacks of any kind will NOT be tolerated. Keep criticism focused and constructive; do not taunt other members.
    Thanks for monitoring this thread. And I am glad that some members keep reminding others to focus on substance rather than put-down statements.
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  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    There's a Straw Poll on the question "What do you expect to feel about Fahrenheit 9/11?"
    Look for it HERE
    hehehe good poll.
    Ironic that the people say that it is biased dont plan to see it.. I guess they are just as biased
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  8. #108  
    Woof, I think you don't get what I am trying to say.

    I think charities are wonderful, I give generously and think everyone should. But really, do you expect that you can pull all of our domestic funding for things like health care, education etc., then individuals and private industries will put all of that money they save from taxes back into charities, and then all of the charities and private industries will be organized in such a way that they will coordinately work together to solve all of our major domestic problems?

    Do you understand my concerns?
  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Do you realize what you are saying here?
    You'd prefer killing of millions of people over a politician that listens to the will of the people?
    I understand you value priciples, which is fine, but on the other hand the job of a politician is to do the will of the people, not his personal convictions...
    And the fact you support using nukes worries me...it only takes one fool to start using nukes and pretty soon we are in WWIII blowing up the whole planet..

    Yep I meant that literally. Kill all them stupid f**kers. Give me a break. I was making a point!! Given that Bush and Kerry are my two choices I was trying to say that I would have to vote for Bush, because Kerry is completely without vision and principle. Is it part of liberal training school to take one sentence out of context and take it literally? Please get a clue.

    Secondly it is not the job of the representatives in this country to do the will of the people. They are hired/elected to represent yes, but by making their own decisions. Thats why we can vote them out. If our government was based on the will of the people then there would be no congress or even a president. We'd all just vote on every little thing and the "will of the people" would be done. God what a mess that would be. That's why our president is not elected by the popular will of the people but by the electoral college. Please if you wish to discuss the government and it workings, at least make sure you know how it works.
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  10. #110  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    IMHO the common person is willing enough, but if it hurts him directly he will back out of his good intentions..
    However if you raise tax (which I personally hate just as much as you) people won't notice the the diff. as much.
    And of course if we tax the hell out of him he'll feel real good about giving to others. BAH! So you saying then that it is better to force people to give via taxation, beause YOU think its a good idea. What about letting people give when they feel they can and when they want to. Giving should not be mandatory it should be voluntary and because it from the heart

    Same thing with insurance, in the US tax rates are really low, but insurance is all personally organized, how many millions of people are uninsured??
    Boy am I glad you picked this one. I happen to be in the insurance business. You know why many people are underinsured in this country? Because they choose to be. Most states in the US have mandatory auto liability insurance statutes and therefore people are obligated to carry auto insurance. Many of them still opt not to because they cant afford it. Higher taxes wont help them. Many people dont need life insurance. Higher taxes wont help them. Many people are able to self insure so they dont need health insurance. Higher taxes wont help them.
    I feel sometime you got to protect people against themselfs.. it actually improves the lifestyle of people that way...
    That's a nice god complex youve got going there. Youre the one we need protection from. Who are you to decide whos lifestyle needs improving? Try minding your own business huh bub. If I want your help, or anyone elses improving my lifestyle, I'll ask for it. It's good to see you have all the answers and can share them with everyone. As for me, keep em to yourself. I'll make my own way.
    It's a fine line, mind you, since you got to keep promoting productivity (this was the mayor flaw of communism). But raising tax levels to pay for proper social security is a good thing IMHO..
    Yep, raise taxes so the poor ******* who is just making ends meet now gets behind just so everyones lifestyle can be improved, and then he can go on the dole or welfare or whatever because you have taxed him into poverty. But his lifestyle will be better.

    And before you start namecalling, no I am not a communist or a socialist..
    Hmmmph, you certainly sound like one.
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  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by Chick-Dance
    There's a Straw Poll on the question "What do you expect to feel about Fahrenheit 9/11?"
    Look for it HERE
    Ya a real lack of bias there.
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  12. #112  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Woof, I think you don't get what I am trying to say.

    I think charities are wonderful, I give generously and think everyone should. But really, do you expect that you can pull all of our domestic funding for things like health care, education etc., then individuals and private industries will put all of that money they save from taxes back into charities, and then all of the charities and private industries will be organized in such a way that they will coordinately work together to solve all of our major domestic problems?

    Do you understand my concerns?

    It's possible. The current system of tax the hell out of everyone and give freebies to the lazy and underserving sure aint working real great. Why not try something new?
    Here's an idea. Lets let everyone make their own way. If they cant, let their family help them. Try working instead of asking for a handout. I work. I've had three jobs in order to make ends meet. I dont take handouts from the government. I take handouts from me. If I can do it anyone can. Unless youre a lazy worthless piece of crap who refuses to do anything but whine how unlucky you are and how you can never get a break. Life is a series of choices. If your life sucks try some different choices. You got yourself there, you can get yourself out.

    Has the last 35 years of liberal tax and spend solved all of our major domestic problems? No. When does it start to work. How long do we have to wait to prove it doesnt work?
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  13. #113  
    What amazes me in this whole debate is how polarised it is. Is US opinion genuinely this divided or are there a silent majority who think both sides are blowing hot air? And Woof, don't take this the wrong way but I think you've got a lot in common with the Anarchists They believe in a society where the individuals work together with no central control.
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  14. #114  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    What amazes me in this whole debate is how polarised it is. Is US opinion genuinely this divided or are there a silent majority who think both sides are blowing hot air?
    I think since the 2000 election the opinion has polarized quite a bit...
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  15. #115  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    It's possible. The current system of tax the hell out of everyone and give freebies to the lazy and underserving sure aint working real great. Why not try something new?
    Here's an idea. Lets let everyone make their own way. If they cant, let their family help them.
    Not everybody on wellfare is lazy.. many of them would love to work, but simply dont get the opportunity... your statement is rude to say the least..

    Besides that you are overlooking one big issue.. Crime.. ever seen an apocolypse style movie? That would happen if we use your system, if people cant make an honest wage they will start to steal to survive. But since there is no police (since they are payed from tax money) people will take up arms themselfs or hire rent-a-cops. which will lead to further polirization of wealth which eventually will lead to tribal war...

    Wether you like it or not a more evenly distribution with only a few super rich/poor people is better for all.
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  16. #116  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    What amazes me in this whole debate is how polarised it is. Is US opinion genuinely this divided or are there a silent majority who think both sides are blowing hot air? And Woof, don't take this the wrong way but I think you've got a lot in common with the Anarchists They believe in a society where the individuals work together with no central control.
    My feeling is that the US became polarized during the Clinton administration, and then became even more extreme after the Bush-Gore fiasco. However, there is a silent majority which doesn't really worry too much about politics - they are too busy living their lives, planning for the future and worring about making ends meet.
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  17. #117  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    hehehe good poll.
    Ironic that the people say that it is biased dont plan to see it.. I guess they are just as biased
    Actually, that's only half of it. If you are biased in the other direction, you definitely plan to see it. You can't take one side of the analysis.

    Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. It's basically saying "If someone thinks they will like it, they will see it. If not, not." No blinding insights there, methinks. I think the same results will hold for Spiderman2.
  18. #118  
    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    Actually, that's only half of it. If you are biased in the other direction, you definitely plan to see it. You can't take one side of the analysis.

    Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. It's basically saying "If someone thinks they will like it, they will see it. If not, not." No blinding insights there, methinks. I think the same results will hold for Spiderman2.
    True enough, does put you at a disadvantage when discussing it in any detail though doesn't it? I mean, you might find that things taken out of context are far worse than they are in context. I'm not that bothered about going to see it myself because I'm prejudiced towards it - I think it's a campaigning movie for the US election, and that doesn't interest me. I'd far rather watch spiderman 2!
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  19. #119  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    True enough, does put you at a disadvantage when discussing it in any detail though doesn't it? I mean, you might find that things taken out of context are far worse than they are in context.
    That's true. It's also why I've gone out of my way to see Moore in his myriad of media engagements (www.snapstream.com BeyondTV is key in getting this done), so that I don't feel I've ignored his viewpoint, just that I've avoided directly supporting it.
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