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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    True, but that applies for any man, if you have sex in your office with an intern does it get blown up like this too?

    When Kenedy had numerous affairs did it get blown up?

    If the dutch (or any northern european country) PM would do the same would it be such media frenzy?
    Youre missing the point. If he hadnt done it there would be no media frenzy. Duh!
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  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    How convenient.

    I am with Heberman on this one. No body b!tches when we're handing out the money and the help.

    Toolkit you seem to have a real issue with popularity. Life is not a popularity contest and the uS is not usually concerned with it. We as a country try to do whats right to help other peple and spread freedom. We make mistakes.Who doesnt.
    not convenient at all...

    But one thing I post again, his claim that the US freed europe is a very twisted view of events that happened in WWII. Without the russians sacrificing millions of people on the eastern front the US and UK would have no chance at all.
    As for the fall of communism, I think Michael Gorbatchov's role was bigger than Reagan's.
    Sure you did a mayor contribution in both events, but you can't claim it as your sole victory...

    As for handing out the money and complaining (mod hat on: please refrain from using b!tch unless you talk about a female dog)
    Basically what you are saying is that if the US give you money you should shut up? and 3 lines later you say you spread freedom.. mmmm.
    I dont care about popularity, however I hate the 'why do they hate us when we only bring freedom and prosparity' routine some americans use...

    The big problem is that americans don't think about why they are impopular in the world, but act like the victim.

    If you start looking from the perspective of the other people in the world a lot of confrontation could have been avoided. By acting arrogant you set off a lot of hate which results in extremes like 9-11 (which I btw condamn, before somebody starts twisting my words.)
    Instead of fighting an unwinable war (like the war on drugs) it is much more efficient to take away the hate that feeds the terrorists..
    That will take time and effort, but IMHO is the only way (besides nuking the rest of the world and turning the US in to an orwlian state) that has a chance..
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Youre missing the point. If he hadnt done it there would be no media frenzy. Duh!
    You are not making sense... I say the media overREACTed and you say if he didnt do it they wouldnt have overreacted... of course not that is the nature of (over)reacting, if the is nothing to react on, nothing happens... DOH!
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  4. #44  
    Shouldnt mods be required to spellcheck?

    The big problem is that americans don't think about why they are impopular in the world, but act like the victim.
    Most Americans dont give a rip about being unpopular and we hardly act like victims. But hey you are entitled to your viewpoint, however skewed I may think it is.

    I am bored with this. I think I'll call GWB tomorrow and tell him we should convert the country to Islam and just roll over and take what the world gives us. It will surely increase our popularity. Australia should convert to Islam too. It is the way of the future. If you dont do it willingly, they'll just cut of your head. Better to convert, stay popular.
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  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    You are not making sense... I say the media overREACTed and you say if he didnt do it they wouldnt have overreacted... of course not that is the nature of (over)reacting, if the is nothing to react on, nothing happens... DOH!
    Exactly smart guy. If there had been no transgression, there'd have be no reaction. Clinton was wrong for what he did not the media for reacting to it. And its different than if I got caught with an intern in my office. I am not the president.
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  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Shouldnt mods be required to spellcheck?
    Most Americans dont give a rip about being unpopular and we hardly act like victims. But hey you are entitled to your viewpoint, however skewed I may think it is.

    I am bored with this. I think I'll call GWB tomorrow and tell him we should convert the country to Islam and just roll over and take what the world gives us. It will surely increase our popularity. Australia should convert to Islam too. It is the way of the future. If you dont do it willingly, they'll just cut of your head. Better to convert, stay popular.
    Keep up that black vs white thinking... that will make the world a better place... NOT!
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Exactly smart guy. If there had been no transgression, there'd have be no reaction. Clinton was wrong for what he did not the media for reacting to it. And its different than if I got caught with an intern in my office. I am not the president.
    You keep missing the point.. there is a difference between reacting and OVERreacting...
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  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    (mod hat on: please refrain from using b!tch unless you talk about a female dog)
    Uh Mr Moderator, should you have used that word? Especially since there was no female dog referenced in the conversation. Couldnt you have said "the b word". Kinda the pot calling the kettle black isnt it? I also find it odd that that word is blocked, considering that it is a commonly accepted part of the vernacular. It means to complain, whine, grouse, commiserate among other things. If we are talking context here (the female dog thing) then why does the board strike it out when I say something like "my ***** retriever is in heat and I plan on breeding her. I hope to get several more good breeding *****es because the breed is currently very popular. The ***** puppies should fetch a hefty price". Just seems silly to me.
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  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    You keep missing the point.. there is a difference between reacting and OVERreacting...
    As do you. There is a difference between porking your intern and not. Why cant you just admit Clinton was wrong instead of getting hung up on the semantics of reaction. Is it because you are porking YOUR intern and dont want her to find out its wrong?
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    — Ed Howdershelt
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  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    You keep missing the point.. there is a difference between reacting and OVERreacting...
    Uh not to mention reacting vs overreacting is simply a matter of perspective.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    True, but that applies for any man, if you have sex in your office with an intern does it get blown up like this too?

    When Kenedy had numerous affairs did it get blown up?

    If the dutch (or any northern european country) PM would do the same would it be such media frenzy?
    If it happened in UK or Ireland it would be a big scandal, in France it's expected - Mitterand's mistress turned up at his funeral I believe!
    Animo et Fide
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Most Americans dont give a rip about being unpopular and we hardly act like victims. But hey you are entitled to your viewpoint, however skewed I may think it is.

    I am bored with this. I think I'll call GWB tomorrow and tell him we should convert the country to Islam and just roll over and take what the world gives us. It will surely increase our popularity. Australia should convert to Islam too. It is the way of the future. If you dont do it willingly, they'll just cut of your head. Better to convert, stay popular.
    Doesn't the US constitution say that there is not and must not be a national religion? The US is not a Christian country so you can't convert
    And trying to equate all muslims to the evil people doing the beheadings is a bit like equating all Christians to the Oklahoma bomber wouldn't you say?
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  13. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    not convenient at all...
    If you start looking from the perspective of the other people in the world a lot of confrontation could have been avoided. By acting arrogant you set off a lot of hate which results in extremes like 9-11 (which I btw condamn, before somebody starts twisting my words.)
    So, U.S. arrogance "resulted" in 9-11? Wrong. Cowardly criminal terrorists caused the 9-11 destruction, not U.S. arrogance. The sexy lady walking down the street was "asking for it" and therefore deserved to be raped?
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  14. #54  
    I have to agree with heberman, (don't faint heber... anyone got some smelling salts?) you cannot start giving any legitimacy to terrorist actions by suggesting they were in some way 'provoked'. Perceived US arrogance may give the terrorists more support in certain quarters, but that's not the same thing.
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  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterBrown
    I have to agree with heberman, (don't faint heber... anyone got some smelling salts?)
    Peter agrees with me??? Whoh, I'm so dizzy. Where am I?
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  16. #56  
    What Clinton did was wrong, but it was blown far out of porportion. I don't care what he did in his private life, and it didn't need to be blown up for the entire nation to see. It didn't affect me, It didn't change America - it was a private action that should have been dealt with privately.

    On the other hand, G.W. Bush has done more harm to our country, and to the world than any other president in recent memory. I've yet to hear a real reason why we attacked Iraq - latest news says that it was Iran who gassed the kurds, not Saddam. It was Saudia Arabia that harbored terrorists - not Iraq. He might have been a bad dictator, but what right of it is ours to impose our views on others? Why don't we attack China if we are so against human rights violations and want to bring freedom to all? We have brought even greater instability to the middle east region, while killing hundreds of americans, thousands of innocent Iraqis, and wounded thousands more on both sides. And have we captured the Osama Bin Laden? Have we actually helped stop terrorism in this world? This year, there were more terrorist attacks than any of the last several years. But talk about Iraq doesn't even touch the war that he has waged on America. While keeping america under an unnesscary fear, he has successfully, with the help of a republican controlled congress destroyed the people's rights to see what our government does (an attack on the FOIA). Bush has claimed such a broad executive power, ignoring the basic constitutional rights of every american, no matter who that american is. Luckily the courts have kept him in check, but I'm sure his strategy and his lawyers will adapt and reinterpret things in the same way that his lawyers interpreted torture in Abu Gahrib prisons being legal. Thanks to Bush, our rights to a private life have been greatly diminished, as the Government increases their data surveilience and their FBI surveilience over us. And, No Child Left Behind? What a joke. I have not met one school administrator, one teacher, or one student who has found that law to have positive effects on education in America. In my school it has simply created more useless tests, more paperwork, and decreased funding. Bush has failed America at being a good President, irreparably harming the views of America overseas, breaking international treaties, and leaving the country with more debt than it has ever had before.
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  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    So, U.S. arrogance "resulted" in 9-11? Wrong. Cowardly criminal terrorists caused the 9-11 destruction, not U.S. arrogance. The sexy lady walking down the street was "asking for it" and therefore deserved to be raped?
    Maybe I worded it a bit strong, I should have said 'contributed' to.
    Besides that your sexy analogy doesnt work.
    Its more like a swarzenegger type going to south central shouting 'Who's the man, you can't touch me, I am the strongest, you are nothing and you will do as I say'
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