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  1. purpleZ
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    Since the original thread has been moved and locked, I would be interested in seeing if the site moderators will post an official policy with regards to the trading of unlicensed applications on this site. If they agree that stealing software is immoral and should not be permitted, references promoting this activity should be removed from the site. The final posts from the previous thread were quite revealing:


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    Originally posted by bmacfarland
    If the app was available for sale elsewhere I could see the argument that it's warez. The fact that it was included in the Treo 600 emulator tells me that it should be an included application. I don't think the choice of network GSM vs. CDMA should impact the software available on the machine. In effect, they are handicapping the device in an effort to sell extra software (Sprint's BC). That may be legal, but it's just not right.
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    Well, technically it IS for sale (as part of the GSM Treo 600). Since the CDMA version does not include the software, your license to use the software does not apply to the Sprint Treo 600. You don't own the software simply because you obtained it for no money through the emulator or through a third-party. PalmOne (Handspring) retains ownership of the software. If they didn't license you to use it on a Sprint Treo 600, then technically you are breaking the law if you obtain, install, and use it on a Sprint Treo 600.

    The choice of carrier is at the heart of the matter. Sprint and Handspring have established contracts with each other concerning the software that will be included with the product. I agree that Sprint's restrictions on what can be included are a handicap. It's not "nice", but they aren't in business to be nice. They're in business to make money.

    With that said, Handspring does have the legal right to restrict the distribution of the e-mail client for the purpose of protecting the interests of its partner Sprint. It's doubtful that they will do anything to prevent people from using the e-mail client (after the sale), but they will certainly not violate the agreement that they have with Sprint and include the e-mail client on the Sprint version. They can't be blamed for that.


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    11-02-2003 04:01 PM




    TheHandlessKing
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    It's nice to see you removed the stolen email application from your site. Are you still getting a lot of hits now that it's gone?
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    I hate this forum now becaue of people like you.

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    11-02-2003 04:09 PM




    Spiffyis5150
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    Who says that they have an agreement? Maybe Sprint just requested that it be taken out, but does not neccessarily care if people use it or not. No one here really knows what the exact nature of the partnership is between Sprint and Handspring really, so I think it's kind of narrow minded to be arguing something that doesn't have facts to back that up. Regardless, I personally could care less about the e-mail client. I use Sprint Business Connect and if I weren't then I'd be using SnapperMail. Everyone's doing cartwheels over an e-mail client. The only reason I can see wanting this is the integration that Handspring could bring with their own software, but I don't think most of the included software is all that great. I use Datebook5 b/c Datebook+ is inadequate. I've never used the GSM mail client, but I suspect I probably wouldn't because it's though it's functional, it's not the rock and roll of e-mail clients. Those who want to beg, borrow or steal a builtin e-mail client can decide for themselves how they feel about that without some worthless troll giving morality lessons on the right and wrongs of what he or she *thinks* should happen based upon what he or she *thinks* the facts are.



    11-02-2003 04:16 PM




    snerdy
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    Re: Warez trolling on Treocentral

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    BUY ONE.
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    Gimmick account + troll = asshat.



    11-02-2003 04:22 PM




    silverado
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    Piracy is a evil, made up word to scare people into conforming to artificial standards of ownership. All software should be Free! (as in freedom, not as in beer)
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    All software should be free? It's one thing to try to convince people to give their software for free and completely another to steal people's intellectual property that they did not choose to make freely available. The idea of entitlement to free software is preposterous!! Otherwise, people should be entitled to get free labor from whomever they choose.



    11-02-2003 04:28 PM




    snerdy
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    Troll.

    Also, your ***** is hanging out -- you might want to zip that up.



    11-02-2003 04:57 PM




    foo fighter
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    Piracy is a evil, made up word to scare people into conforming to artificial standards of ownership. All software should be Free! (as in freedom, not as in beer)
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    Yeah, well the problem with that logic is that software doesn't just drop out of thin air, it's written by human beings with marketable skills. So the question is, should developers work for free? Would you work for free? Would you give away a fabulous original idea, and allow others to copy your work? Piracy may not be evil, but expecting skilled workers to give away the fruit of their labor just so you can get something for nothing is.


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    11-02-2003 04:59 PM




    ToolkiT
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    Warez (or anything else illegal for that matter) is not allowed on TC/VC. Period...

    Feel free to discuss the principles of freeware vs warez in the off topic section.
    Warez requests and/or links to warez will not be allowed here for the obvious reasons...
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    We do not condone Warez on TreoCentral. However, because the boards are run by volunteers, we cannot always catch threads as they occur, and because of the (newfound) volume of threads on the board, some are missed. This does NOT mean that we condone warez. There is no discusson on this issue, frankly I do not understand the purpose of this post as in the last thread ToolKit made it clear our policy.
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    So the question is, should developers work for free? Would you work for free?
    My post was a little Trollish, so I feel the need to clarify. My views are in line the Free Software Foundation, as I do not like the attitudes IP holders have had towards the future of digital computing. Free Software is not about free as in price, its free and in freedom.

    You can sell free software, and you can get money for free software. There's no need for me to address this obvious point, since you board members are smart people.

    I apologize for my troll, but I think its undenyable that free software has created a better path for the future of computing then whatever has ever come out of proprietary development.
    -- Go Illini!
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    Jeez. I'd like you people (The Purple's, etc.) to know, that you're doing your job making me hate this board more and more every day.

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    Originally posted by TheHandlessKing
    Jeez. I'd like you people (The Purple's, etc.) to know, that you're doing your job making me hate this board more and more every day.

    TheHandlessKing
    Your signature is obnoxious! It annoys me more than the Purple's.
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    Originally posted by Im So Unpopular


    Your signature is obnoxious! It annoys me more than the Purple's.
    What signature?
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