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    A random though that passed through my brain... Some of you will have no idea what this is about but for those who do:

    "Betamax initially owned 100% of the market in 1975... By 1981, U.S. Beta sales had sunk to only 25% of all sales. "(Videotape format war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Someday we may be reading an article that starts "Apple iPad had 100% of the market in 2010.. by 2015 ..."

    Being first out of the gate does not guarantee long-term success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cthetford View Post
    A random though that passed through my brain... Some of you will have no idea what this is about but for those who do:

    "Betamax initially owned 100% of the market in 1975... By 1981, U.S. Beta sales had sunk to only 25% of all sales. "(Videotape format war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Someday we may be reading an article that starts "Apple iPad had 100% of the market in 2010.. by 2015 ..."

    Being first out of the gate does not guarantee long-term success.
    I think it's irrelevant because betamax had a big limitation. 1 HOUR. That helped a lot VHS to dominate.
    Where is apple limited? They keep developing their products and keep delivering what people want. If they stop then probably someone else will take over and don't get this wrong but probably it will be Android since Google is more recognized as a consumer company (with the help of Samsung, htc, lg etc)
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    That's actually not why betamax failed. Betamax failed by being the "walled in garden" if you will.
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    it failed because the "adult" industry embraced VHS. The lesson here is that most technologies win or lose based on capturing "that" industry. Sad but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viper151 View Post
    I think it's irrelevant because betamax had a big limitation. 1 HOUR. That helped a lot VHS to dominate.
    Where is apple limited? They keep developing their products and keep delivering what people want. If they stop then probably someone else will take over and don't get this wrong but probably it will be Android since Google is more recognized as a consumer company (with the help of Samsung, htc, lg etc)
    It depends on if you believe the <adult> factor on Betamax. It's fairly contentious. The story goes that Sony did not allow <adult stuff> to be distributed on Betamax. As a result many users showed preference for VHS. Hard to say if it was actually true or not.

    Apple has kept <adult stuff> and a lot of other stuff out of there platform. This is probably why Android continues to have success even after the iphone was introduced on Verizon.
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    'It' failed for several reasons, not one. The primary reasons being that Sony refused to license Betamax to other manufacturers. This also alienated the software industry, ie. Hollywood studios, which put their support behind VHS. Ofcourse the fact that Sony refused to allow the "adult" industry to release on Beta, had a lot to do with it's failure too. VHS's victory over Betamax was some what similiar to how the PC won over the MAC. But Sony learn't their lessons well from the Betamax experience and applied it well, in their battle to establish Blu-ray over HD-DVD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantaffordit View Post
    it failed because the "adult" industry embraced VHS. The lesson here is that most technologies win or lose based on capturing "that" industry. Sad but true.
    The adult industry was support hd dvd but lost !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by viper151 View Post
    The adult industry was support hd dvd but lost !!!
    First of all, the "adult" industry, does not have anywhere as much influence today as they did back in the VHS/Betamax days. The "adult" video industry has been losing sales very rapidly and drastically, due to the internet and "adult" industry sales have moved primarily to downloading and streaming. Secondly, this time around Sony did not block the "adult" industry from releasing on Blu-ray. Finally, the share of Hollywood studios in the home video industry today, is far greater than it was in the VHS-Betamax days. Therefore, it is their support which was essential towards deciding the Blu-ray vs HD-DVD war. Sony this time was well prepared. Not only do they now own one of the major studios, which they bought for exactly a time like this, but they also had three other major studios exclusively in their camp from the very outset. Very importantly, Sony made sure that they had Disney, a key player in the home video market today. Not neccesarilly due to their overall sales, but due to their rather large and very skewed share in the family home video market. Disney and Fox primarily supported Blu-ray for it's implementation of Region coding and also superior copy protection via DRM and other means.
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    exactly, that's why I love America! Competition rules the day and consumers aren't shy about letting companies know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjay View Post
    First of all, the "adult" industry, does not have anywhere as much influence today as they did back in the VHS/Betamax days. The "adult" video industry has been losing sales very rapidly and drastically, due to the internet and "adult" industry sales have moved primarily to downloading and streaming. Secondly, this time around Sony did not block the "adult" industry from releasing on . Finally, the share of Hollywood studios in the home video industry today, is far greater than it was in the VHS-Betamax days. Therefore, it is their support which was essential towards deciding the Blu-ray vs HD- war. Sony this time was well prepared. Not only do they now own one of the major studios, which they bought for exactly a time like this, but they also had three other major studios exclusively in their camp from the very outset. Very importantly, Sony made sure that they had Disney, a key player in the home video market today. Not neccesarilly due to their overall sales, but due to their rather large and very skewed share in the family home video market. Disney and Fox primarily supported Blu-ray for it's implementation of Region coding and also superior copy protection via DRM and other means.
    Also, don't forget that Sony's Playstation 3 had (has) a Blu-ray player on it for free. Microsoft charged Xbox owners for the HD-DVD player. So if you bought a Playstation 3 you automatically had Blu-ray and the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-ray player for a very long time.

    There are other examples besides the Blu-ray and HD-DVD fight. Someone mentioned PC vs Mac. There is iOS vs Blackberry OS and Windows Mobile. iOS beat out the well established BBOS and WM platforms. There is Android vs iOS. Android is beating iOS hands down because it is on multiple platforms vs iOS only being on a few. There is Internet Explorer vs Netscape Navigator. Navigator was king until Microsoft gave away IE for free and installed it on all Windows PCs. Kind of underhanded but it worked. The Romans got beat by the barbarians. The British Empire lost it's 13 colonies to rebels. The New York Giants beat the New England Patriots in the Superbowl after New England posted a perfect record.

    I've been around the computer and electronics industry for over 25 years. It is highly volitaile. Just because someone has 90% of market share now doesn't really mean a thing. That could be gone by the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjay View Post
    First of all, the "adult" industry, does not have anywhere as much influence today as they did back in the VHS/Betamax days. The "adult" video industry has been losing sales very rapidly and drastically, due to the internet and "adult" industry sales have moved primarily to downloading and streaming. Secondly, this time around Sony did not block the "adult" industry from releasing on Blu-ray. Finally, the share of Hollywood studios in the home video industry today, is far greater than it was in the VHS-Betamax days. Therefore, it is their support which was essential towards deciding the Blu-ray vs HD-DVD war. Sony this time was well prepared. Not only do they now own one of the major studios, which they bought for exactly a time like this, but they also had three other major studios exclusively in their camp from the very outset. Very importantly, Sony made sure that they had Disney, a key player in the home video market today. Not neccesarilly due to their overall sales, but due to their rather large and very skewed share in the family home video market. Disney and Fox primarily supported Blu-ray for it's implementation of Region coding and also superior copy protection via DRM and other means.
    Agreed you have a point. There were a lot of things that made BETA loose this fight.

    But still I don't think webOS will be the successor of iOS.
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    Beta had longer than a 1 hour format. I still have my Betamax (still works) and you could get 4 1/2 hours.
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