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    Thanks but I'm not that good of a liar. My point is not that Hintz is a monster and potential murderer but that there's an obvious double-standard by which groups are being judged. Tea Partiers or conservative groups are portrayed harshly because, well, everyone knows conservatives are really violent at heart, whereas union Democrats are portrayed sympathetically because they're just average working people trying to get a fair wage. If that logic sounds silly and simplistic it just makes it that much more incredible that media outlets would push that line so matter-of-factly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Thanks but I'm not that good of a liar. My point is not that Hintz is a monster and potential murderer but that there's an obvious double-standard by which groups are being judged. Tea Partiers or conservative groups are portrayed harshly because, well, everyone knows conservatives are really violent at heart, whereas union Democrats are portrayed sympathetically because they're just average working people trying to get a fair wage. If that logic sounds silly and simplistic it just makes it that much more incredible that media outlets would push that line so matter-of-factly.
    You are absolutely right. That double standard does exist.
    It's a cliché. And clichés are usually true.

    On the other hand, one democrat getting all red in the face and spraying-not-saying it, is hardly buidling a case though. It's still just finger-pointing. But he's also doing it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    You are absolutely right. That double standard does exist.
    It's a cliché. And clichés are usually true.
    So, then, you agree with that "cliche"?
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    lol. still with the blame on GW. ltm ltm.
    The Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    lol. still with the blame on GW. ltm ltm.
    To everyone OUTSIDE of the US, it's always been pretty obvious.
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    And quite a few on the INSIDE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    Yes, but I'm a European, quasi-intellectual socialist.
    Unfortunate. It appears to me that intellectuals should avoid such generalizations. Of course they don't but it seems they should.

    Question: you would probably know this guy. What do you think of him?
    Geert Wilders
    I've heard of him but I don't know enough to comment. He seems like a reactionary, as most populists are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Unfortunate. It appears to me that intellectuals should avoid such generalizations. Of course they don't but it seems they should.



    I've heard of him but I don't know enough to comment. He seems like a reactionary, as most populists are.
    I could state right wing politicians in general would sell their mom for an extra buck and more power. From a historic perspective, that statement holds a relatively high percentage of truth.

    I'm just a kid of poor immigrants, who went to uni, and earns more than enough to vote right wing, but I won't forget where I came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    I could state right wing politicians in general would sell their mom for an extra buck and more power. From a historic perspective, that statement holds a relatively high percentage of truth.
    You don't think that holds true for politicians in general? Why single out Right Wing politicians? I don't see that they have any less integrity, as a group, than Left Wingers--especially those tied with unions.

    I'm just a kid of poor immigrants, who went to uni, and earns more than enough to vote right wing, but I won't forget where I came from.
    Yeah, I know about your type. I used to see you guys in the hood when my driver was bringing me home from prep school. I grew up in a working class family too. I've gone through periods where I've lived off of a jar of spare change and I've never forgotten where I came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    You don't think that holds true for politicians in general? Why single out Right Wing politicians? I don't see that they have any less integrity, as a group, than Left Wingers--especially those tied with unions.



    Yeah, I know about your type. I used to see you guys in the hood when my driver was bringing me home from prep school. I grew up in a working class family too. I've gone through periods where I've lived off of a jar of spare change and I've never forgotten where I came from.
    I always waved as you drove by and looked the other way.

    In general right wing cares for the economy, since it makes them richer.
    Left wing cares for the people since that's their main capital (of course they're not as poor as they lead you to believe).

    In Europe, working class folks traditionally voted socialist parties, so I'm a product of my environment. Things have changed in recent years, with lower incomes voting for parties that typically look after higher incomes, only because they're led to believe it will result in a safer society. I'm aware my views are simplistic and I do not assume to know anything about politics in general. However, politics is such a mess that to me it really doesn't matter what you base your preference on. I just go with what feels good or right, and of course there will be a lot of misinfo and prejudice.
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    Oh, and one final note to all US people complaining about Obama.
    You elected Bush, and got terrorism, oil wars and crisis. You made your bed and got screwed over royally in it. Deal with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    Oh, and one final note to all US people complaining about Obama.
    You elected Bush, and got terrorism, oil wars and crisis. You made your bed and got screwed over royally in it. Deal with it
    Just an FYI, the 911 terrorists were developing their plan when Clinton was Prez....terrorists could care less who the Prez is, they want to kill Americans. Unfortunately America is made up of people who like to think that a person who never led a single organization and who said he could sit down and talk to leaders such as Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong, can actually lead a country. Some people are just dreamers. You are correct that we must deal with obama, but in this country I can deal with it while kicking and screaming.
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    The US is actually gaining the respect of people throughout the world who lost it. And of course they'd like you to think they've been plotting since Clinton.
    It would be nice to be loved by our friends and feared by our enemies, but considering our friends' lackluster support, I'd settle for feared by our enemies.

    Do tyrants fear America anymore? President Obama’s timid foreign policy is an embarrassment for a global superpower – Telegraph Blogs
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    Good luck with your demotion from world citizens to island folk.
    Who claimed to be world citizens? What is a world citizen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    Let me rephrase that for you: "world's policeman"
    But my previous point sticks: you'd prefer the US to be feared by its enemies.
    That's a big bubble of hot air.
    Not yet but the current admin is working on it.

    But this is terribly OT, considering OP's point (which few people seem interested in).
    I say we leave it here, and pick this up once Libya has been invaded, the oil price goes up, and we have ourselves a double dip!
    You got the last word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Not yet but the current admin is working on it.
    You got the last word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    He's doing a damn fine job compared to that cocaine sniffing alcoholic ****** cowboy who ran a puppet government for Beelzebub & Co shadow organizations.
    The US is actually gaining the respect of people throughout the world who lost it. And of course they'd like you to think they've been plotting since Clinton. Want a bigger spoon?

    Continue kicking and screaming. Your tantrum is lost on me.
    Yes....the world respects us alright, they know that under obama there is nothing to fear but empty threats. The guy doesn't have the balls to scare anyone...so...we are becoming the kumbaya country. Oh sure, countries like North Korea and Iran love us now because they can do whatever they want with no fear of retaliation. I'll even agree that Prez Bush didn't do enough with Iran...at least that we know. It's going to be an interesting world when we wake up one morning and the headline reads that Iran has a working nuclear weapon. Fun times my friends....fun times.

    LOL...umm, yes, when terrorists attacked the Trade Center in 1993 (or 1994?) I guess Allah told them that the evil George Bush would be Prez in 2000 and to go ahead and attack then (1993) to make a point. It's funny how liberals believe muslim terrorists are only angry with the US because of George Bush. Maybe they got angry when Clinton bombed the aspirin factory? Talk about being spoon fed? LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Yes....the world respects us alright, they know that under obama there is nothing to fear but empty threats. The guy doesn't have the balls to scare anyone...so...we are becoming the kumbaya country. Oh sure, countries like North Korea and Iran love us now because they can do whatever they want with no fear of retaliation. I'll even agree that Prez Bush didn't do enough with Iran...at least that we know. It's going to be an interesting world when we wake up one morning and the headline reads that Iran has a working nuclear weapon. Fun times my friends....fun times.

    LOL...umm, yes, when terrorists attacked the Trade Center in 1993 (or 1994?) I guess Allah told them that the evil George Bush would be Prez in 2000 and to go ahead and attack then (1993) to make a point. It's funny how liberals believe muslim terrorists are only angry with the US because of George Bush. Maybe they got angry when Clinton bombed the aspirin factory? Talk about being spoon fed? LOL.
    I never thought I'd say it but, fortunately, Hillary Clinton is the face of our international diplomacy.
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    The problems of the US and the West, go a long ways back. Further than either Bush. Was it Teddy who said walk softly and carry a big stick? The problem with that is, for the most part, no one in the West has been walking softly for a long time. Frankly after a few discussions with a number of Muslim friends, there is nothing we can do or say. To say Obama is a wimp or imply it, is wrong. He is just not performing knee jerk actions. I agree with the concept that you can not single out Muslims in regards to this new Mcarthy era witch hunt. A lot of people have died at the hands of good ol home grown terrorists, Oklahoma anyone. Kersch, there are a lot of them, including some extremely radicalized militias.
    I agree with you Groovy, Hillary is a good choice for your international diplomacy.
    As to Iran and the bomb, hell, one way or another they will get one. Be it from North Korea, or some rouge Russian general, etc etc.
    Do I think George Bush JR was evil, NO, he was stupid, and controlled by his VP and his companies.
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