View Poll Results: Releasing leaked info; right or wrong?

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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Why?
    Because the people who foot the bill deserve access to it, and those who don't, simply don't.
    A reasonable expectation in a corporate setting is that a companies competitors won't be able to read their communications.
    How so? What if those companies became subject to some sort of antitrust or SEC investigation?
    Why should or public servants expect any less treatment than that? Unless, perhaps, one thinks the US government doesn't have any competitors.
    I think that hidden governance is a competitor to what the US government was supposed to stand for.
    So the government should reveal all of it's internal workings (including national defense) to the taxpayers?
    I think they should. OTOH, the real issue is that our military hasn't been about national defense for quite a while.
    While true, I think we all make mistakes and gaffes that we would rather the world not read about. Where those gaffes concern international diplomacy I think it would be all the more important to keep it in the family.
    So, if we are conducting 'diplomacy' by blackmail and intimidation, are you OK with that only if you don't know about it?
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  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by sledge007 View Post
    WL has dropped a list of critical infrastructure sites across Canada and the US, which was "supposed" to be helpful in indicating which areas be deemed "weak & easy" targets for potential terrorist attacks. Although that may have been put out for good purposes, it's a double-edged sword. Personally, I couldn't care less about what a bunch of politicians say behind closed doors about other (foreign or domestic) politicians. Putting out a list of potential sites, that would have dire consequences if compromised, is another matter, imo.
    Are these physical sites or web sites? I've heard differing stories. I'm not sure that either list would necessarily be surprising.
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  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Are these physical sites or web sites? I've heard differing stories. I'm not sure that either list would necessarily be surprising.
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  4. #64  
    So, if we are conducting 'diplomacy' by blackmail and intimidation, are you OK with that only if you don't know about it?

    north korea anyone
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    That's a horse of a different color, IMO.

    a horse is a horse IMO
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  6. #66  
    Because the people who foot the bill deserve access to it, and those who don't, simply don't.

    than the world by your definition should not have access to these email..
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    I don't feel the desire to enter an argument in this thread ( la the "What do you feel is the best approach toward diminishing the threat of terrorism?" thread), so I'll just post an observation.

    Truth will prevail. It always does.

    If the United States' government does succeed in capturing/killing Julian Assange and shutting down Wikileaks, other organizations will fill the void left.
    Wikileaks now has close to a dozen mirror sites in retaliation to the recent DDOS attack.
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  8. #68  
    As it is, I believe the US is involved in a hate crime, a hate crime against free speech. The politicians who call for Julians execution should be executed themselves as leftists ****s. Etc.
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  9. #69  
    The story I watched on the news last night ( I know GFN....the news is biased ) was talking about various hydro-electric dams, medical labs, train stations etc....I didn't see anything about web-sites per se, but that doesn't mean that those weren't in there as well. There may have been talk about financial institutions as well.
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  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by Zen00 View Post
    As it is, I believe the US is involved in a hate crime, a hate crime against free speech. The politicians who call for Julians execution should be executed themselves as leftists ****s. Etc.
    I also saw that the RCMP are conducting an investigation into Mr. Flanagan's remarks regarding suggesting he (Assange) be assassinated. Time will tell, and probably sooner than later, what the result of that will be.
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  11. #71  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    north korea anyone
    Excellent example. Are you considering 'diplomacy' via the threat of nuclear technology to be a valid tactic of a civilized nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    a horse is a horse IMO
    Of course. Of course. And no one can talk to a horse, of course. That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed. That being said, there is an important distinction between stealing information and having it provided to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    than the world by your definition should not have access to these email..
    I am of several minds on the matter. On the one hand, if the leaks were obtained illegally, that is one thing. On another, I have issues when underhanded behavior is taking place under the cloak of 'executive privilege' or something along those lines. If a government that can easily subpoena all of Microsoft's emails to prove collusion or unfair competition does not have a watchdog to check its similar behavior, can we fairly consider our government 'of, for, or by the people'?
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  12. #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I am of several minds on the matter. On the one hand, if the leaks were obtained illegally, that is one thing. On another, I have issues when underhanded behavior is taking place under the cloak of 'executive privilege' or something along those lines. If a government that can easily subpoena all of Microsoft's emails to prove collusion or unfair competition does not have a watchdog to check its similar behavior, can we fairly consider our government 'of, for, or by the people'?
    To quote, "Who watches the watchmen?"
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    #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by Zen00 View Post
    As it is, I believe the US is involved in a hate crime, a hate crime against free speech. The politicians who call for Julians execution should be executed themselves as leftists ****s. Etc.
    Authoritarian, not necessarily leftist.

    The modern Democratic Party is generally a bit on the right of the spectrum, the Republican Party is a bit further to the right.

    The Green Party, The Peace and Freedom Party, and the Socialist Party are three mainstream US parties that are actually on the left side of the political spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLegacy View Post
    Authoritarian, not necessarily leftist.

    The modern Democratic Party is generally a bit on the right of the spectrum, the Republican Party is a bit further to the right.

    The Green Party, The Peace and Freedom Party, and the Socialist Party are three mainstream US parties that are actually on the left side of the political spectrum.
    I'm not generally good at throwing around insults anyways, I don't do it on a regular occasion, just the special times like this.
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  15. #75  
    as to the pay back thing, hmmmm can anyone say terrorist threats.. lol.. kidding.. well ok not really.. as to the assassination thing, hey the RCMP should go after him. At least to smack him in the head and tell him no more of that crap. While I dont agree with the whole wikileaks thing, that is way over board in my opinion. But than again so is the Payback thing. If wikileaks is so big and powerful, than they dont need to have their allies resorting to this sort of thing. Remember, with a flick of a switch, the whole net thing could come tumbling down. Yes Jimmy, the US of A has that kind of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Because the people who foot the bill deserve access to it, and those who don't, simply don't.
    Think about it another way, then. How will you limit the information to just those who "foot the bill"?

    How so? What if those companies became subject to some sort of antitrust or SEC investigation?
    We have processes to go after illegal activities. I don't think that applies here.

    I think that hidden governance is a competitor to what the US government was supposed to stand for.
    Who is that?

    So, if we are conducting 'diplomacy' by blackmail and intimidation, are you OK with that only if you don't know about it?
    No, just like I'm not okay with a myriad of illegal activities that I don't know about. But I have to trust the system to work.
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    #77  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    as to the pay back thing, hmmmm can anyone say terrorist threats.. lol.. kidding.. well ok not really.. as to the assassination thing, hey the RCMP should go after him. At least to smack him in the head and tell him no more of that crap. While I dont agree with the whole wikileaks thing, that is way over board in my opinion. But than again so is the Payback thing. If wikileaks is so big and powerful, than they dont need to have their allies resorting to this sort of thing. Remember, with a flick of a switch, the whole net thing could come tumbling down. Yes Jimmy, the US of A has that kind of power.
    I think it's funny that people who defend WL on the basis of freedom of expression don't like it when others express their opinions of WL (either by offhanded comments or by withdrawing support). Seems, shall we say, hypocritical?
  18. #78  
    BBC News - Anonymous Mastercard attack 'hits payments'
    hmmm lil read here,, now is this and the post a few above exactly what these hacks are complaining about... Are they not denying us the public free and unfettered access to the net and information?? gotta love the whole damn thing.
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  19. #79  
    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Think about it another way, then. How will you limit the information to just those who "foot the bill"?
    If the government is acting within the powers granted to it, what limits need to be placed on the information. A fundamental principle of our government is that the power is vested in 'We The People', and we choose to grant certain powers to our government. If I do not have the authority to do a thing, my government should not have the authority to do a thing either, should it?
    We have processes to go after illegal activities. I don't think that applies here.
    How would we know?
    Who is that?
    Not clear on your question.
    No, just like I'm not okay with a myriad of illegal activities that I don't know about. But I have to trust the system to work.
    "Trust, but verify."
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  20. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromNam View Post
    Well Jimmy Uncle Sam does have that kind of power, hmmm exactly the same kind of power that the DDOS attacks are trying to do, but cant. Note, it was sarcasm. sorta.
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