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    Efforts To Prevent Voter Fraud Draw Scrutiny
    by Pam Fessler

    There are always concerns about voter fraud on Election Day, but this year many new groups are popping up to keep an eye on the polls. That, in turn, has some people worried that legitimate voters will be intimidated and discouraged from voting.

    Along with all the other campaign ads they will hear this week, voters in Minnesota's Twin Cities are being treated to a provocative radio ad.

    The ad warns that the group is training thousands of citizens to set up surveillance teams outside polling places to look for voter fraud. It's even offering a $500 reward for information leading to convictions.

    "We're just the people concerned about the integrity in our election process," says Dan McGrath, executive director of Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group that alleges that past elections in the state have been marred by fraudulent votes. "We go to vote. We want to know that our vote counts, fairly, and that someone else's ineligible vote isn't diluting it."

    His group has teamed up with several others, including the North Star Tea Party Patriots, to launch the poll-watching campaign. And it's not the only effort of its kind this year. Dozens of billboards have gone up in the Milwaukee area showing people behind bars and warning that voter fraud is a felony.

    Meanwhile in Houston, a group called the King Street Patriots has launched a ballot-integrity campaign called True the Vote, which has already led to allegations of intimidation during early voting.

    "We are seeing trainings cropping up in states across the country of ordinary citizens to challenge voters, to serve as poll watchers," says Wendy Weiser, deputy director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, which is monitoring the efforts. "We're seeing calls for people to mobilize and go to the polls and look out for voter fraud, and we're seeing it to a degree that we haven't seen in years."

    Weiser says the campaigns appear to be based on fears that most election experts think are overblown that, in fact, there are few cases of illegitimate voters who cast ballots. Still, the issue has become a political flash point, especially in tight elections.

    Weiser says she's concerned that many of this year's efforts are led by ad hoc citizens groups that might be unfamiliar with laws intended to protect legitimate voters.

    "It makes it harder to monitor and to rein in ballot security operations that go awry," she says.

    That's exactly what Democrats say they are trying to do in Harris County, Texas, where Houston is located. They have filed suit against the King Street Patriots, alleging that theirs is really a Republican-backed effort to suppress the Democratic vote.

    Chad Dunn, general counsel for the Texas Democratic Party, says the most aggressive poll watching in early voting has been at African-American and Latino precincts, which lean Democratic.

    "These poll watchers would follow a voter after they were checked in, hover behind them, try to look over their shoulder as they're voting," Dunn says. "Sometimes misinformation was being provided to voters in terms of how they could vote or where they could vote."

    The county attorney's office and the U.S. Justice Department are now investigating, though no charges have been filed. Still, tensions are high, and the county attorney is recommending that election officials put tape on the floor to separate poll watchers and voters.

    Kelly Shackelford, president of the Liberty Institute, a legal group defending the King Street Patriots, says if there's any intimidating going on, it's against those who are trying to keep elections honest.

    "These are citizens who just wanted to get involved, and things like poll watching and turning in information on voter registration rolls should be fairly unremarkable," Shackelford says. "I think the thing that is remarkable is that they're coming under attack because some people don't like that they're actually getting involved."

    He says he thinks Democrats have an ulterior motive that they are using the threat of intimidation to rile up the base and boost turnout.

    Shackelford says True the Vote has no intention of violating the law. Weiser, of the Brennan Center, says her group and others will be watching the poll watchers closely just to be sure.
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    At least they didn't have billy clubs....
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    NPR. Great.... clearly a fair and balanced news agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    NPR. Great.... clearly a fair and balanced news agency.
    Certainly - why do you think they got rid of Juan Williams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    NPR. Great.... clearly a fair and balanced news agency.
    You will be very hard pressed to find ANY evaluation of NPR's news coverage which shows a bias.
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    Now this is voter intimidation and thuggery:



    I wonder what message these guys were trying to send? They don't seem very welcoming, huh? Funny...I don't recall daThomas posting this video and showing his concern over this either. You know....I'm beginning to think daThomas only has concerns with certain types of thuggery....hmmmm....I wonder what that could be? Of course, obama didn't have any issues with it either since he had the charges dropped.

    If I recall....the black dude doing the talking was recorded a few weeks/months later saying that more "white babies" needed to be killed. He seems like a good guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjeffcoat View Post
    Certainly - why do you think they got rid of Juan Williams?
    Liberals believe in free speech as long as it doesn't go against their beliefs.....becoming very apparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlee2001 View Post
    http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_love_jet_noise/images/the_new_democratic_party_symbol.jpg
    This one is funnier:

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    Free speech != accusing legitimate voters of being criminals.
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    NPR = Nonconformists Please Resign
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    You will be very hard pressed to find ANY evaluation of NPR's news coverage which shows a bias.
    How about my own? I've listened to them for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Antares View Post
    This one is funnier:

    I happen to agree with BOTH.


    I despise BOTH "sides"
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlee2001 View Post
    I happen to agree with BOTH.


    I despise BOTH "sides"
    you non-conformist! I say remove rlee from NPR!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    you non-conformist! I say remove rlee from NPR!
    Hey...hey...hey. i never said that either side made me feel uncomfortable on a plane!!
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    [QUOTE=Orion Antares;2732898]This one is funnier:

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    lets see so money guns and christians are all bad? And I'm guessing that's a symbol saying republicans are racist or for death penalty. Hmmm lets see who is the party that drastically out performs the other party when it comes to charaties that usually benefit minorities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Now this is voter intimidation and thuggery:



    I wonder what message these guys were trying to send? They don't seem very welcoming, huh? Funny...I don't recall daThomas posting this video and showing his concern over this either. You know....I'm beginning to think daThomas only has concerns with certain types of thuggery....hmmmm....I wonder what that could be? Of course, obama didn't have any issues with it either since he had the charges dropped.

    If I recall....the black dude doing the talking was recorded a few weeks/months later saying that more "white babies" needed to be killed. He seems like a good guy.
    Same thing here Clem. "They do it to!" instead of, "Voter intimidation is wrong in any form".
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Same thing here Clem. "They do it to!" instead of, "Voter intimidation is wrong in any form".
    It could be that how you're presenting these intimidation threads provoke and pretty much guarantee that response? You've set it up, so you can knock it down? I'm thinking you intended it thus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Same thing here Clem. "They do it to!" instead of, "Voter intimidation is wrong in any form".
    Did I say voter intimidation was right? If you think I was saying "well the dems do it, so the Republicans can", you are stretching things. The thing that I find amusing is you set up these threads with examples that only attack the right as if the left never does anything remotely close to these things. I have never said beating up a woman was a good thing, only that you should be careful throwing stones in a glass house. You certainly never said voter intimidation was wrong in any form, but your threads lead one to believe that you feel it goes only one way.

    Let me ask you daThomas, do you think those black dudes standing outside the polling place with night sticks in Philly was a welcoming sight? Can you at least admit they were trying to intimidate someone from coming in and voting? Can you? I don't think the liberal in you can point a finger at them as you'll figure some way to blame it on anyone other than them.
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    Speaking of 'thuggery', I heard on the radio that New York State is failing to send out over 300,000 ballot to overseas military.
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