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    i find it ironic really

    they talk about freedom, but auto bailouts are def NOT freedom
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    freedom to rise and freedom to fall . its supposed to happen everyday even to the big companies .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    freedom to rise and freedom to fall . its supposed to happen everyday even to the big companies .
    And let all of those voting union members loose their jobs? That's unacceptable.
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    Does anyone read the news anymore ??

    (for the record, FIAT is an Italian company ...)



    Fiat Deal With Chrysler Seals Swift 42-Day Overhaul
    By MICHAEL J. de la MERCED and MICHELINE MAYNARD NYTimes
    June 11, 2009

    With the touch of pen to paper and a simple wire transfer, Chrysler completed its alliance with Fiat on Wednesday morning, largely ending its quick trip through bankruptcy.

    The reorganization was completed in 42 days.

    The last obstacle to an exit — a temporary stay imposed by the Supreme Court — was lifted late Tuesday after the nine justices declined to hear a challenge of the deal by three Indiana state funds and several consumer groups.

    The wire transfer, from the federal government, gives Chrysler $6.6 billion in exit financing.

    After more than a month of sometimes dramatic court hearings, Chrysler sold the bulk of its assets to Fiat in almost anticlimactic fashion: in the offices of Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft, the law firm that is advising the Treasury Department’s auto task force. The sale was completed about 9 a.m.

    “This morning’s closing represents a proud moment in Chrysler’s storied history,” a Treasury official said. “The Chrysler-Fiat alliance has now exited the bankruptcy process and is poised to emerge as a competitive, viable automaker.”

    The speed with which Chrysler’s restructuring plan swept through the court system was an important victory for the Obama administration, which is seeking to remake the American auto industry after years of declining sales. When Chrysler filed for bankruptcy on April 30, President Obama promised its reorganization would be “efficient” and “controlled.” Company and government officials repeatedly exhorted the courts to approve the restructuring swiftly, citing the $100 million a day that Chrysler was consuming as it idled its plants and paid other overhead costs.

    Chrysler was openly acknowledged as a test drive for the bankruptcy of General Motors, a far larger and more complex company that is in the early stages of its case.

    As envisioned by Chrysler, Fiat and the government, Wednesday’s sale will create a new carmaker freed from the old Chrysler’s crushing labor costs and debt levels. In Fiat, which will run the company, it will have gained a partner skilled in making and selling small, fuel-efficient cars around the world.

    “We intend to build on Chrysler’s culture of innovation and Fiat’s complementary technology and expertise to expand Chrysler’s product portfolio both in North America and overseas,” Sergio Marchionne, the chief executive of Fiat, said Wednesday.

    “Although we have many challenges yet to overcome, there is no doubt in my mind that we will get the job done,” Mr. Marchionne said in comments to employees.

    Under the plan, Chrysler would emerge from bankruptcy with a union retiree trust owning 55 percent, Fiat owning a 20 percent share that could eventually grow to 35 percent and the United States and Canadian governments holding minority stakes.

    Chrysler has been hit hardest among the three Detroit companies by the slump that began last year and has resulted in the worst sales in more than a quarter-century.

    Through May, Chrysler sales were down 46.3 percent, and it held just 10 percent of the car and truck market, down from nearly 15 percent a few years ago. It ranks fifth in the American market, behind G. M., Toyota, Ford and Honda.

    Chrysler employees, who were once considered among the industry’s most energetic and innovative, now face the prospect of adjusting to their third set of owners in less than two years. In recent weeks, teams from Fiat have been going over the company’s operations in Auburn Hills, Mich., much as teams from Cerberus Capital Management did in 2007, when that investment group bought the company from DaimlerChrysler.

    Likewise, employees can expect new management at Chrysler, much as Cerberus brought in Robert L. Nardelli, the former Home Depot chief executive, and James E. Press from Toyota’s American operations. Mr. Marchionne has said he will run Chrysler.

    In his farewell comments Wednesday, Mr. Nardelli said that during his tenure, Chrysler employees had the “heart of a scrappy underdog. This is a company that has been knocked down many times, but never knocked out.”

    The company said its nine-member board would include three directors appointed by Fiat, four appointed by the federal government, one by the Canadian government and one by the United Automobile Workers’ Retiree Medical Benefits Trust. The board is expected to name C. Robert Kidder as chairman.

    The impact on Chrysler’s lineup will take longer to be felt. Chrysler, more than any other American player, depends heavily on Jeeps, minivans and pickups as the bulk of its lineup. Small Fiats like the Fiat 500, are expected to be sold at Chrysler dealers. But it could take months or years to adapt them to emissions and safety requirements in the United States.

    For the moment, Chrysler dealers will have to rely on many of the same vehicles sold by Chrysler before it entered bankruptcy. And there will be far fewer of those dealers: hundreds closed Tuesday night, and their cars and trucks will be redistributed among remaining showrooms"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/bu...1chrysler.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrettQ View Post
    And let all of those voting union members loose their jobs? That's unacceptable.
    that is a lot of votes
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    Quote Originally Posted by verwon View Post
    Desperately trying to cash in on whatever they can.

    They should've just used the Duke boys.
    Yeah, but they made the new Charger a 4 door.

    I couldn't help but laugh at this commercial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketch42 View Post
    lol... honestly i didnt mean any offense.. just it freaks me out... i told the same thing to ilovedessert im sure i freak people out with mine .. and lord knows that verwon.. well

    I hope mine has the same effect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Please view and post your first impressions.
    I don't find it amusing. Was their goal to be funny? The subjects are alien to each other - too disconnected from each other, almost uncomforably so. Kind of like if Apple made an ipod commercial with Jesus.
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    aside from the odd irony of an Italian owned company making a jingoistic pitch to patriotic american sentiment to sell its cars, I enjoyed the visual composition and production values of the spot.

    As to its message, it was attempting to make an Applesque subconscious connection from a sentiment to a product.

    This is easier to do when you are tieing off a stylish forward designed computer that always had an elitish clique as its primary audience.

    Its much harder when your primary audience are Tea-bagging rednecks who might be nostalgic for the Dodge Charger ...
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    Barye, I must admit I admire you. With each post, you never seem to miss an opportunity to slam at least 2 categories of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    Its much harder when your primary audience are Tea-bagging rednecks who might be nostalgic for the Dodge Charger ...
    Its a Challenger, not a charger. DUH!

    wait, does this make me a tea-bagging redneck?..............Dangit!

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    Barye....you use the word "redneck" quite a bit, would you please tell me what your definition of a "redneck" is? Just curious and it would be appreciated. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Barye....you use the word "redneck" quite a bit, would you please tell me what your definition of a "redneck" is? Just curious and it would be appreciated. Thanks!
    If I had, I don't recall using the term before this. (a quick googling only showed this instance FWIW ...)

    In brief to me it means someone with old fashioned traditional orientation -- one nostalgic for a life and a world that likely never was, and almost certainly will never be again.

    They're as a group more likely to passionately believe things irrespective of facts, and are too often dismissive of knowledge and intelligence when it comes to understanding the cause of a problem -- and a path to a problem's solution.

    They are capable of believing that faith and attitude trump experience and education -- that a junior could be a better steward of america's economy and a better leader for the country than an Al Gore. That a Sara Palin or Christine Odonnell would be better leader than any Democrat.

    They as a group are likely to believe that when same sex couples marry that that challenges their right to marry. They as a group are likely to believe that man cannot be the cause of global climate change. That making the wealthy pay their fair share of the burden of society through taxation, is unfair.

    They can even go to a creationist "museum" in Kentucky and believe that man and dinosaurs walked amongst each other.

    If and when I use that term, that is what I associate ...
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    Propaganda

    Freedom is NOT islamphobia
    Bailouts for auto companies is NOT 'getting it right'
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    Barye, I think you're describing your definition of a tea partier, not a redneck? Perhaps you should research the term redneck a bit?

    Sure, a tea partier can be a redneck, but they're two different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Barye, I think you're describing your definition of a tea partier, not a redneck? Perhaps you should research the term redneck a bit?

    Sure, a tea partier can be a redneck, but they're two different things.
    you're right -- there is that distinction. I was giving a subjective overarching generalization.

    What I wrote to Clemgrad was more in reference to my original statement: "Its much harder when your primary audience are Tea-bagging rednecks who might be nostalgic for the Dodge Charger..."

    There are I know, radically liberal southern rednecks. Rednecks that believe in man caused global climate change, for example.

    The redneck nuance deserved to be recognized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    If I had, I don't recall using the term before this. (a quick googling only showed this instance FWIW ...)

    In brief to me it means someone with old fashioned traditional orientation -- one nostalgic for a life and a world that likely never was, and almost certainly will never be again.

    They're as a group more likely to passionately believe things irrespective of facts, and are too often dismissive of knowledge and intelligence when it comes to understanding the cause of a problem -- and a path to a problem's solution.

    They are capable of believing that faith and attitude trump experience and education -- that a junior could be a better steward of america's economy and a better leader for the country than an Al Gore. That a Sara Palin or Christine Odonnell would be better leader than any Democrat.

    They as a group are likely to believe that when same sex couples marry that that challenges their right to marry. They as a group are likely to believe that man cannot be the cause of global climate change. That making the wealthy pay their fair share of the burden of society through taxation, is unfair.

    They can even go to a creationist "museum" in Kentucky and believe that man and dinosaurs walked amongst each other.

    If and when I use that term, that is what I associate ...
    You forgot the part where they are also the folks who can fix your transmission with duct tape and a paper clip..........Just sayin' lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    you're right -- there is that distinction. I was giving a subjective overarching generalization.

    What I wrote to Clemgrad was more in reference to my original statement: "Its much harder when your primary audience are Tea-bagging rednecks who might be nostalgic for the Dodge Charger..."

    There are I know, radically liberal southern rednecks. Rednecks that believe in man caused global climate change, for example.

    The redneck nuance deserved to be recognized.
    im a redneck and proud of it but i also know this world will go nowhere until God is ready for it to and the climate change caused by man is laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    aside from the odd irony of an Italian owned company making a jingoistic pitch to patriotic american sentiment to sell its cars, I enjoyed the visual composition and production values of the spot.

    As to its message, it was attempting to make an Applesque subconscious connection from a sentiment to a product.

    This is easier to do when you are tieing off a stylish forward designed computer that always had an elitish clique as its primary audience.

    Its much harder when your primary audience are Tea-bagging rednecks who might be nostalgic for the Dodge Charger ...
    Oh man, I laughed hard at this post. Wow, you got really smarted up in college, eh?

    Since it's there...why all the hate and bigotry towards those in the Tea Party Movement? I still for the life of me can't understand the backlash against them. I'd think that a movement against the current political complex would be welcomed by those on both sides.
    I don't understand the purpose of the line, I don't need to drink to have fun. Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and sticks when they've invented the lighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    im a redneck and proud of it but i also know this world will go nowhere until God is ready for it to and the climate change caused by man is laughable.
    Wow!
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