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  1. #161  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Italian... right. You're the one that invoked H1tler, a national socialist who had both left and right wing ideals. And "in his early life", my foot. He died a socialist.

    I guess I'll try again, and maybe you'll answer. Was H1tler's Germany a fascist state? Yes or no? Remember....history is watching you.
  2. #162  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Your "simplistic" restatement of what you said you said doesn't mention one little detail....the fact that you used tithing and giving to God as the basis for your tax law. To remind you specifically of what you said, in your own words, it was this:



    So it appears that you misrepresented what you said...not me.
    just give up. Go look up creative writing, hyperbole, tongue in cheek, and a few other terms in what we learned in school, mister literal.

    my goodness, you are now reduced to telling me what my opinion actually is.

    wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Italian... right. You're the one that invoked H1tler, a national socialist who had both left and right wing ideals. And "in his early life", my foot. He died a socialist.
    ??!!!!!!!!!
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  4. #164  
    Quote Originally Posted by Workerb33 View Post

    second, I said nothing about which side was patriotic or not. I just said it used to be a core principle just as public airwave were licensed for public beneft.

    you have just set a new world record for the sport of Conclusion Longjumping.

    that was a truly spectacular leap.
    What's remarkable is that this is the second time that you can't remember what you yourself posted. Does this ring a bell? Oh...and calling your own posts hyperbole doesn't mean you didn't post them.

    Especially on issues of patriotism. Even the liberal journalist were once very patriotic. Vietnam and Watergate seemed to stamp that out.
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    #165  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I guess I'll try again, and maybe you'll answer. Was H1tler's Germany a fascist state? Yes or no? Remember....history is watching you.
    LOL! Too much pressure! You know it's not as simple as that. Fasism was an italian political movement. N4zi Germany was NOT a pure fascist state, as Italy was. Yes - N4zism is a form of fascism - but there are some fundamental differences LIKE; economic, religious, and social idealogies (you know, the topic's we usually circle around).

    N4zi's were socialists using facsism tactics as part of their population control.
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  6. #166  
    Quote Originally Posted by Workerb33 View Post
    just give up. Go look up creative writing, hyperbole, tongue in cheek, and a few other terms in what we learned in school, mister literal.

    my goodness, you are now reduced to telling me what my opinion actually is.

    wow.
    Yes, I realize that you may have been trying to be humorous. However, you have to understand that many, if not most, of teab*aggers would agree with you that the government deserves no more than God. It's hard to tell what's humorous and what's just conservative these days, although there is a great deal of overlap, since the majority of conservative ideals are humorous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    LOL! Too much pressure! You know it's not as simple as that. Fasism was an italian political movement. N4zi Germany was NOT a pure fascist state, as Italy was. Yes - N4zism is a form of fascism - but there are some fundamental differences LIKE; economic, religious, and social idealogies (you know, the topic's we usually circle around).

    N4zi's were socialists using facsism tactics as part of their population control.
    where have you heard that Htler was a socialist ??
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    #168  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    where have you heard thar Htler was a socialist ??
    You really seem to have an issue with this. Don't take it personally, Barye. His party was the National Socialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    where have you heard thar Htler was a socialist ??

    I think he heard Rush say it.
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    #170  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Yes, I realize that you may have been trying to be humorous. However, you have to understand that many, if not most, of teab*aggers would agree with you that the government deserves no more than God. It's hard to tell what's humorous and what's just conservative these days, although there is a great deal of overlap, since the majority of conservative ideals are humorous.
    Could we have some crackers wid that cheeze pleeze?
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    #171  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I think he heard Rush say it.
    Yeah... that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Yes, I realize that you may have been trying to be humorous. However, you have to understand that many, if not most, of teab*aggers would agree with you that the government deserves no more than God. It's hard to tell what's humorous and what's just conservative these days, although there is a great deal of overlap, since the majority of conservative ideals are humorous.
    good manners and polite discourse would encourage one to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    I'm afraid you have been added to my ignore list as one who has forgotten good manners.

    peace out.
  13. #173  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    You really seem to have an issue with this. Don't take it personally, Barye. His party was the National Socialists.
    BARYE is asking for sources.

    How something is named is often a function of propaganda:

    changing anti-abortion to pro-life

    inheritance taxes to death taxes

    final stage of life counseling to death panels


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    #174  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    BARYE is asking for sources.

    How something is named is often a function of propaganda:

    changing anti-abortion to pro-life

    inheritance taxes to death taxes

    final stage of life counseling to death panels


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    Sorry, Barye... I know you don't like the comparison. Just google it and you'll find plenty of references and sources (and yes, plenty of leftist blogs trying to repudiate it). Here's a snippet from wikipedia:

    To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, N4zism promoted an economic Third Position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The N4zis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17] They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18]
    Do these sound like conservative right wing tenets? They were lefties.
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  15. #175  
    UMMM ya i did read somewhere that in his early years h.i.t.l.e.r. was a little left leaning. Ulitmately he stepped away, for a variety of reason. Some claim it was because of Marx, (jewish) and his hatred of all jews. frankly, i think it had much more to do with the fact he didnt think he could control the left as well as he would of liked. The name was just that, a name. the National Socialst party. Adolph was very astute at manipulation, pure and simple. Yes he was a madman, but also no fool. Some one once said the difference between madness and genius is waking up on the wrong side of the bed. or some such..
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    #176  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    UMMM ya i did read somewhere that in his early years h.i.t.l.e.r. was a little left leaning. Ulitmately he stepped away, for a variety of reason. Some claim it was because of Marx, (jewish) and his hatred of all jews. frankly, i think it had much more to do with the fact he didnt think he could control the left as well as he would of liked. The name was just that, a name. the National Socialst party. Adolph was very astute at manipulation, pure and simple. Yes he was a madman, but also no fool. Some one once said the difference between madness and genius is waking up on the wrong side of the bed. or some such..
    Yes, I've seen several leftist blogs try to paint the "in his early years" whitewash. Bunk. It wasn't Hi4ler, it was the whole damn party's founding principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Yes, I've seen several leftist blogs try to paint the "in his early years" whitewash. Bunk. It wasn't Hi4ler, it was the whole damn party's founding principle.
    i have to agree,,, omg,, there it is i have stepped in to the dark. .omg oomg.. micael take your hand off my azzz.. lol .. ya i agree though,, it was a group, of which he ultimately came out on top as the leader, or at least the preceived leader. Through some very nasty purges,, lessons he leared from other greats ie stalin and his ilk, he got rid of most of the contenders, and kept the others at each others throats. socialist facist i think they are just names words that attract people to your banner. much like democrats and republicans. oololol.. ol Adolph was a dictator who ruled with an iron fist..
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  18. #178  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Sorry, Barye... I know you don't like the comparison. Just google it and you'll find plenty of references and sources (and yes, plenty of leftist blogs trying to repudiate it). Here's a snippet from wikipedia:

    Do these sound like conservative right wing tenets? They were lefties.
    as the songwriter said:

    ...the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    you have to define left and right in each historical contest because they mean different things in different circumstances.
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    @dbdoinit

    nice try, but it's too late.
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    #180  
    Quote Originally Posted by Workerb33 View Post
    as the songwriter said:

    ...the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    you have to define left and right in each historical contest because they mean different things in different circumstances.
    I dunno, Workerb. I hear what you're saying - but heavy government control of industries, socialized medicine, social welfare programs for workers - essentially cradle to grave controls on your life - birth to death.... that's socialism then and now.

    It clearly is the same. No historic context needed.
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