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    No! That couldn't be paid for by the T-baggers. After all, they are highly educated and only want limited government. They wouldn't support anything that would demonstrate what moronic buffoons they are. This must be a plot by the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    No! That couldn't be paid for by the T-baggers. After all, they are highly educated and only want limited government. They wouldn't support anything that would demonstrate what moronic buffoons they are. This must be a plot by the left.
    Could be. The Left aren't above calling anyone H itler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Could be. The Left aren't above calling anyone H itler.
    Really? Significant political movements on the left, like the Tea Party on the right? Please, give me some examples. Has MoveON ever called George Bush der fuhrer? Of course, the NAACP condemned racism in the Tea Party, but that's not quite the same, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Really? Significant political movements on the left, like the Tea Party on the right? Please, give me some examples. Has MoveON ever called George Bush der fuhrer? Of course, the NAACP condemned racism in the Tea Party, but that's not quite the same, is it?

    MoveOn.Org's Bush-Hitler Comparison Commercial 1 : Indybay
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    I think there's another copy of that sign somewhere in Missouri.
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    MoveOn.Org's Bush-****** Comparison Commercial 1 : Indybay
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    And this is why I am a registered Independent. The extremes from both parties drove me there.

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    Sorry, Groovy you beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Has MoveON ever called George Bush der fuhrer?
    The difference is that Bush actually provided reasons to back up the comparison. His administration's policies after 9/11 were very nationalist and fuhrer-like. Rather than harness the good will and patriotism that was flowing freely, he authorized torture and unconstitutional domestic spying programs.

    Obama hasn't done anything to take away freedoms from the American people. His government has acted well within the mainstream of American politics.

    Ronald Reagan would be a much more accurate comparison to Obama.

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    I normally try to stay out of the political discussions. I like to read them for a good laugh now and then... but that just went over the top...

    Reagan must be rolling over in his grave...

    There is no way that Obama has acted more like Reagon. There really is just no comparison there. I am not going to stay around and argue, or getting into any kind of flaming war, or anything like that.

    I just had to chime in and say that in no way is Obama and his actions are anywhere close to comparing to the actions or policies of Reagan.
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    Have you seen anything that links the Tea Party to any of these incidents? Any flicks? Anything?

    You know, I have not missed a thing by staying away.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    No! That couldn't be paid for by the T-baggers. After all, they are highly educated and only want limited government. They wouldn't support anything that would demonstrate what moronic buffoons they are. This must be a plot by the left.
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    From the OP story, in case anyone missed it:

    Some tea party members criticized the sign, and North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson acknowledged the pictures overwhelmed the intended message of anti-socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fizban_tx View Post
    I just had to chime in and say that in no way is Obama and his actions are anywhere close to comparing to the actions or policies of Reagan.
    I'm not suggesting a comparison of beliefs or policy agenda between the two, but they do have similar political styles in that they are both coalition builders. The only difference is that the Republicans won't play nice with Obama whereas the Democrats at least were willing to deal with Reagan during his terms.

    I think that makes more sense than comparing President Obama to a raving psychotic genocidal maniac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natrixgli View Post
    The difference is that Bush actually provided reasons to back up the comparison. His administration's policies after 9/11 were very nationalist and fuhrer-like. Rather than harness the good will and patriotism that was flowing freely, he authorized torture and unconstitutional domestic spying programs.

    Obama hasn't done anything to take away freedoms from the American people. His government has acted well within the mainstream of American politics.

    Ronald Reagan would be a much more accurate comparison to Obama.

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    I stand corrected, Groovy....but I agree with natrixgli. While I disagree with MoveOn hyperbole in this case, Obama hasn't invaded anything except Wall Street and the psyche of the right. Neither president was a fascist or a fuhrer. One is just a better president...and that's the current one.
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    Umm, no one is calling anyone ******. It a comparison of policies, not of actions. The point is, other nations wanted change. These are the man who changed it. Their policies of government ran repuplics lead to socilism. America is a government for the people by the people. Not the other way around! When a vote is put up and the people vote against it, that is our voice. That's what makes America great. When the first President in US history stands in front of a nation and say, the people don't know what they want. Let us do the thinking for you. Then passes a failed bill anyway! That's socialism! So that is the reason for who ever paid for the add. Maybe at this point a little excessive. But, then again the German's loved ****** at first! Where did that get them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fizban_tx View Post
    I normally try to stay out of the political discussions. I like to read them for a good laugh now and then... but that just went over the top...

    Reagan must be rolling over in his grave...

    There is no way that Obama has acted more like Reagon. There really is just no comparison there. I am not going to stay around and argue, or getting into any kind of flaming war, or anything like that.

    I just had to chime in and say that in no way is Obama and his actions are anywhere close to comparing to the actions or policies of Reagan.
    Quite right.

    Obama did not make proxy war on Central America -- forcing millions of them to america and making the US a bilingual country, Obama did not support Bin Laden and the creation of Islamic terrorists, nor did he send Marines to be cannon fodder for Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    Glad we agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I stand corrected, Groovy....but I agree with natrixgli. While I disagree with MoveOn hyperbole in this case, Obama hasn't invaded anything except Wall Street and the psyche of the right. Neither president was a fascist or a fuhrer. One is just a better president...and that's the current one.
    I was going to thank your post but there's just too much in it I disagree with. But thanks for acknowledging the hyperbole comes from the other side too, rather than trying to rationalize it as somehow appropriate. <<and I mean that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikea4 View Post
    That's what makes America great. When the first President in US history stands in front of a nation and say, the people don't know what they want. Let us do the thinking for you. Then passes a failed bill anyway! That's socialism! So that is the reason for who ever paid for the add. Maybe at this point a little excessive. But, then again the German's loved ****** at first! Where did that get them?
    No, it's not socialism. In fact, it has nothing to do with socialism. Please spend a little time learning definitions before you misuse them. Not unexpected from the right, but I would think at some point some self-respect might kick in.
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    I'm not going to agrue with you. But, statements that other people are using wrong definitions doesn't make you right. It is socialism. You look it up! Bills passed based on the spending of peoples money against peoples wishes, means that the government is dictating ones capital. To make things a little easier for you, since you speak from your heart and not of what you know...Socialism is an economic and political theory based on public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3]

    In a socialist economic system, production is carried out by a public association of producers to directly produce use-values (instead of exchange-values), through coordinated planning of investment decisions, distribution of surplus, and the use of the means of production. Socialism is a set of social and economic arrangements based on a post-monetary system of calculation, such as labour time, energy units or calculation-in-kind.[4]

    Socialists advocate a method of compensation based on individual merit or the amount of labour one contributes to society.[5] They generally share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through a system of exploitation. They argue that this creates an unequal society that fails to provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential,[6] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential in the interests of the public.[7] Socialists characterise full socialism as a society no longer based on coercive wage-labour, organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations and adhocracy rather than hierarchical, bureaucratic forms of organization in the productive sphere. Reformists and revolutionary socialists disagree on how a socialist economy should be established.

    Now where have we hear the distiribution of wealth speech before? Umm. These past puplicies all have to do with taking money to give it away!

    As the great saying goes.... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - G. Santayana

    Later made it to the more common wording... "those who don't know their history, are doomed to repeat it" you need to learn your history. All these socialist, communist, dictator ran, countries. Started down the same road that we are. No one there ever thought they would turn out the way they did. And this country is no different. Everyone and their "oh, our government wouldn't do that". Sorry, that's sad and naive. Our government to suppose to govern the people (our puplicies), not run the people. Their are places in this country where you can't paint your house what ever color you want, I had a business 10 years ago ran into the ground by my "great" government. Because they didn't like wood burning stoves. 1/3 of my land was declared wet lands. I was told that if I touch one thing without their promision, I'd be fined $2,500. Yet, I still have to pay taxes on land that I can't use! This is " this is called "eminent domain" our 5th amendment right. "Unjust compensation, without just compensation". The government stole my landed. I called the Civil Liberties Union. The people who are suppose to fight for our rights, when the government infringes on them. You know what they said "Your right, they stole your land. But, we're not going to fight it for you. We like the Wetlands act" This is your government. You probably speak from a stand point of,someone who has little to no real dealings with the government! You my friend need to do your reach!
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    Hurr Durrr Derp Derp Derp. Let's discuss politics on the intertubes.
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