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    obama drove by today and all he did was make everyone late for work lol
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    Sheesh, what a speech. Talk about bait and switch. The country wants to know if and when the leak is going to get plugged, and he uses it as an opportunity to shove crap and trade down our throats.

    That's just what this country needs. Eighteen more months of stupid debates over policies and bills (that nobody will see until the last 5 hours), that will massively increase the spending of money we don't have, and kill more private sector jobs....

    It was like watching a used car salesman, and a bad one at that.
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  3. #243  
    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    "The sky is falling. THE SKY IS FALLING!"
    If you live along the coast of Louisiana and Bama and Florida, it already has. I'm glad you find some humor in this disaster.

    Did anyone expect anything else from Obama? It's the same ole thing....talk and trying to move his agenda. I certainly don't think Obama wanted such a horrible accident to happen, but he sure is trying to take advantage of it to get what he wants. Just heard Sen Lemieux of FL on CNBC, and he says he asked Obama yesterday why there are only 32 skimmers out there when there should be 200 out there....he also asked why the international help is being ignored....really no answers. This is when Obama's lack of managerial skills are showing big time. He simply has never had to lead and so doesn't have these skills.
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  4. #244  
    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    This is when Obama's lack of managerial skills are showing big time. He simply has never had to lead and so doesn't have these skills.
    I'm sure he is crushed to hear such a renowned scholar of leadership skills as yourself give your (worthless) opinion.

    Blame It On The Jones Act?
    A Dutch news site De Standaard also reported Belgian and Dutch dredgers have technology in-house to fight the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, but the Jones Act forbids them to work in the U.S.
    A Belgian group–DEME– contends it can clean up the oil in three to four months with specialty vessel and equipment, rather than an estimated nine months if done only by the U.S. The article noted there are no more than 5 or 6 of those ships in the world and the top specialist players are the two Belgian companies- DEME and De Nul - and their Dutch competitors.
    The U.S. does not have the similar technology and vessel to accomplish the cleanup task because those ships would cost twice as much to build in the U.S. than in the Far East. The article further criticizes this “great technological delay” is a direct consequence of the Jones Act.
    What Is The Jones Act?
    The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 is a United States Federal statute that regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27, also known as the Jones Act, deals with coastal shipping; and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.
    The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry. Critics said that the legislation results in increased costs moving cargoes between U.S. ports, and in essence, is protectionism, Supporters of the Act maintain that the legislation is of strategic economic and wartime interest to the United States.
  5. #245  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I'm sure he is crushed to hear such a renowned scholar of leadership skills as yourself give your (worthless) opinion.
    Does Obama read the PreCentral Off Topic Forum posts? Well see...there is another problem....why is he spending his time on here? Seems like he should be concentrating on the Gulf incident or at least who will be coming to play at the White House next. Oh...and doc....I think just as highly of your opinions However, I at least respect that you have the right to your opinion....it's unfortunate that you seem to think your opinions are the only ones that matter.
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  6. #246  
    I believe Obama can waive this act: The Jones Act And Gulf Oil Spill Emptysuit

    From this link: Waivers to the Jones Act were granted by the administration of George W. Bush in the days following hurricane Katrina. Obama said waivers might again be considered.

    Nice try davidra to try and deflect blame away from Obama....I'll give you credit....you are determined to not blame anything on your man, and I respect that! I do respect loyalty and your loyalty is blind!
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  7. #247  
    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    Your selective blindness to the humor expressed by those with your mindset is what I find humorous.

    Short on substance. Long on wind. That's the definition of the partisans against Obama. Fear is the only weapon in your quiver. Rather than indulge the obsessive need you share with others of your stripe to just rant against anything to do with Obama, maybe a more intelligent discussion should occur. Just maybe. That is, unless being a bag of wind is the level that satisfies your need to express yourself and all other communication is beyond your consideration.
    The only diiscussion you are interested in is when it involves praise of the mighty Obama. Please, you blame folks of my "stripe" on only ranting, and yet people of "your stripe" can't say anything negative against Obama. The guy is perfect, right? Soooo....it's fine to only praise the man, but not fine to find fault. But nice try. ROFL
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  8. #248  
    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    How would you know? You've not even attempted a calmly rational discussion. Like to try now?



    Quote me as praising Obama. Go ahead. I'll wait right here.

    There is an ocean of difference between praise and defending the actual record. Make that distinction and you might find yourself actually getting somewhere in a discussion. Otherwise, welcome to your self-created brickwall.
    Well cool.....I will be looking for your occasional criticisms of Obama. I will take you for your word (as I don't have time to go through all your posts) that you have been critical of him in the past. You must understand, however, that it is difficult for me to praise someone when he believes the government is the answer to every problem, and I don't believe that. I have, however, said I believe he is a good father and has done a good job, as far as I can tell, on raising his children. And before davidra says it, no, I'm not an expert on raising children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    The absence of criticism is also not praise. Regardless of the way you twist and spin, these truths do not change.

    It pains me to say it, but you're wasting your time. Increasing support for Afghanistan, initially coming out in support of drilling before big oil demonstrated their incompetence.. no matter what he does, it will never the right thing. You have to remember that Clem is from SC, the stomping grounds of DeMint, who's entire agenda is based on nothing except seeing Obama fail. Now you know how he got elected. No thought processes involved, just instinctive response of the primitive parts of the brain.
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    Tuesday, June 15, 2010
    Fallout from the Spill

    Our new Louisiana poll has a lot of data points to show how unhappy voters in the state are with Barack Obama's handling of the oil spill but one perhaps sums it up better than anything else- a majority of voters there think George W. Bush did a better job with Katrina than Obama's done dealing with the spill.

    50% of voters in the state, even including 31% of Democrats, give Bush higher marks on that question compared to 35% who pick Obama.

    Overall only 32% of Louisianans approve of how Obama has handled the spill to 62% who disapprove. 34% of those polled say they approved of how Bush dealt with Katrina to 58% who disapproved.

    While the poll results indicate a lot of unhappiness with the President, ultimately BP is getting the largest amount of blame from voters in the state. 53% of voters say they're angriest at the oil company to 29% who say their greatest unhappiness is with the federal government. And 78% say BP has the greatest responsibility for cleaning up the spill to only 11% who say that onus lays with the federal government. 44% think BP CEO Tony Hayward should be fired to 29% who think he should not and 26% who are not sure.

    One thing the oil spill has not done is created a spike of opposition to offshore drilling in Louisiana. 77% of voters still support it with only 12% against. Only 31% say the spill has made them less inclined to be in favor of drilling while 42% say it hasn't made a difference to them and 28% say they're now stronger in their support.

    If there's any 'winner' in this unfortunate event it's Governor Bobby Jindal. 63% of voters approve of the job he's doing, the best PPP has found for any Senator or Governor so far in 2010. There's an even higher level of support, at 65%, for how he's handled the aftermath of the spill.

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    Yeah, me and the rest of Florida is just delighted that La. has not learned anything from this. We have gotten absolutely no income from their oil drilling but are about to have our primary industry significantly impacted because they were willing to take chances by trusting industry to self-regulate. I could care less about their support. I hope they extend the moratorium for five years.
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    Since some of you like polls so much....

    WASHINGTON - There's encouraging news for Democrats battling to retain control of Congress in this fall's elections, with the party holding a slender edge in public trust for shepherding the economy and slightly more people saying their finances are healthy, according to a new poll.

    The reeling economy remains people's top concern, according to an Associated Press-GfK Poll conducted earlier this month, making public attitudes about it crucial for both parties' hopes in November. The good news for Democrats: By a margin of 47 percent to 42 percent, people trust them more than Republicans to guide the economy, and 64 percent — slightly more than in April — say their household budgets are in good shape.

    In addition, people want Democrats to win control of Congress by a 46 percent to 39 percent margin. That is the second straight month in which Democrats have held a delicate advantage on that question since April, when 44 percent preferred Republicans and 41 percent picked Democrats.
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    To say that Obama is using the oil spill to further his political agenda is ignorant and ridiculous. I wouldn't even put Bush in that boat if this happened under his watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickDG View Post
    To say that Obama is using the oil spill to further his political agenda is ignorant and ridiculous. I wouldn't even put Bush in that boat if this happened under his watch.
    Ignorant and ridiculous? Which planet were you from again? On this one, all media outlets, even MSNBC, has been commenting on his use of the spill to further his "crap and trade" agenda. Come on Nick. Did you miss the speech? He didn't even take a breath from talking about one issue before launching into the other.
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       #255  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Since some of you like polls so much....
    Source?
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    I like the way you selected portions of the article that avoid little tidbit's like this from the same:

    Even so, there's plenty in the poll to encourage Republicans, and nothing that contradicts many analysts' views that the GOP has a solid shot of capturing majorities of one or both chambers of Congress.
    Funny how you missed that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I like the way you selected portions of the article that avoid little tidbit's like this from the same:



    Funny how you missed that...
    Now, now....I'm sure it wasn't on purpose....he is getting up there in age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I like the way you selected portions of the article that avoid little tidbit's like this from the same:



    Funny how you missed that...
    I didn't miss it. I quoted what the title of the article was addressing. If you want to post the rest of it, please feel free...especially this part:

    Congressional Democrats get a thumbs-up from 38 percent, modestly more than the 32 percent who approve of how Capitol Hill Republicans are doing their jobs. When it comes to performance on major issues, Democrats have taken a solid advantage over Republicans on handling health care and have narrowed the GOP edge on defense and immigration.
    The take-home message to me is simple: the democratic party is doing quite well, thank you. And so is the President of the United States. I think I'll just start calling him that, to remind you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Yeah, me and the rest of Florida is just delighted that La. has not learned anything from this.
    What exactly do you think _we_ should have learned that we didn't already know? Does Florida have some secret technology to duplicate all the petroleum-based products that fill our daily lives without using petroleum that they aren't sharing? Why don't you take a personal and professional inventory and eliminate 20-30% of it and see how that goes?
    We have gotten absolutely no income from their oil drilling
    Really? Have you looked into how much of Florida's tourism industry is based on other Gulf Coast residents?
    but are about to have our primary industry significantly impacted because they were willing to take chances by trusting industry to self-regulate.
    Who said anything about trusting industry to self-regulate? I'm not sure who you're been listening to from Louisiana, but there is no trust of BP or industry in this case. We also had no regulatory authority. The feds control it and get nearly all of the direct income.
    I could care less about their support. I hope they extend the moratorium for five years.
    Can I quote you on that for the next Florida tourism guide that's disseminated in Louisiana?
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