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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    hey i have an idea... lets send all the unemployed down there,,, they are getting paid right,, put em on buses trains, cattle cars,, what ever,, send em down there.. put those bums to work.. we end the problem with all those unemployed... heck,, just put up a bunch of tents,, feed em twice a day,, once every 12 hours,, work em 12 hours rest em for 4 and start over..

    i think that would end all the complaints about the unemployed.. and not to mention,,, if you do it with a the first bunch I am betting that most of the 2nd bunch would find work pretty darn quick..,, we can use the national guard to make sure they dont get off the beaches,, and to shoot the gators crocs and sharks that come into feed.. not to mention,, if you shoot the sharks and what not. your feed bill for the workers would go down..
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Oh geez....what exactly is this President doing? Other than hosting the likes of Paul McCartney and the Duke basketball team, playing basketball himself, standing in the rain, going around giving speeches like he is running for something right now, and putting us deeper and deeper into debt, when does he work on the important things? Shouldn't he be concentrating on something like this:

    Peggy Noonan: 'We Are Totally Unprepared' - WSJ.com

    I mean fine, do the normal democrat thing and say "This is Bush's fault", but I thought Obama was going to address issues like this? When does Obama become the President? At what point do you liberals have to say, "well, this does fall under Obama's watch." Holy cow. As John Stewart said, Obama is going to have to kick his own *****. Every day it seems like it becomes more and more apparent that his lack of experience in running anything is becoming a HUGE liability. Oh he speaks great....gonna fix any and everything....great, but it is all words and then he does nothing other than increase our debt. When in doubt, throw taxpayer money that isn't there at the issue. Even his great health care bill really doesn't address the issue....getting costs down. This is getting insane. WOW.....just WOW....he is soooo out of it.

    The sad thing is it is going to take another major terrorist attack to wake this administration up....or.....we can also hope that the terrorists just continue to things up on there own. Well....I certainly feel safe, you?
    Yeah....I wonder just what is holding them up? Maybe they just want to be ineffective. Or maybe, just maybe, it's this:

    As of Memorial Day weekend, 120 of President Barack Obama’s nominees to office have been idling in the Senate. Nearly all are victims of anonymous holds placed by Republican senators.
    As NPR reported Thursday, there are crucial vacancies in the Homeland Security, Defense and Justice departments, the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, among others, because of the holds. As well, there are five ambassadors and 29 judges who have yet to be confirmed.
    This obstructionism follows the Republicans’ two infamous blanket holds on all of Obama’s nominees placed earlier this year by Sens. Richard Shelby of Alabama and Jim Bunning of Kentucky.
    Holds in the Senate are a serious matter. The senator who places a hold is telling the chamber that he will filibuster if the nominee’s name is brought up for approval. Unless released, a hold can kill a nomination, which is a setback for the administration and the country because it leaves a vital position open.
    Senate rules do not allow anonymous holds, but that rule has rarely been enforced. All but 10 of the current holds are anonymous, and nine are Republican. Democrats say they don’t have any anonymous holds.
    Anonymous holds are cowardly, but they’re not the only tool Republicans have been using to stop progress. The GOP has been bold about using filibusters to block legislation. In this current session of Congress, Republicans have tried 58 filibusters, tying the Democrats’ record. Republicans, however, are shy of their record, which they set during the 2007-08 session with 112 filibusters.
    Republican obstructionism - Monday, June 7, 2010 | 2:06 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Oh geez....what exactly is this President doing? Other than hosting the likes of Paul McCartney and the Duke basketball team, playing basketball himself, standing in the rain, going around giving speeches like he is running for something right now, and putting us deeper and deeper into debt, when does he work on the important things? Shouldn't he be concentrating on something like this:

    Peggy Noonan: 'We Are Totally Unprepared' - WSJ.com

    I mean fine, do the normal democrat thing and say "This is Bush's fault", but I thought Obama was going to address issues like this? When does Obama become the President? At what point do you liberals have to say, "well, this does fall under Obama's watch." Holy cow. As John Stewart said, Obama is going to have to kick his own *****. Every day it seems like it becomes more and more apparent that his lack of experience in running anything is becoming a HUGE liability. Oh he speaks great....gonna fix any and everything....great, but it is all words and then he does nothing other than increase our debt. When in doubt, throw taxpayer money that isn't there at the issue. Even his great health care bill really doesn't address the issue....getting costs down. This is getting insane. WOW.....just WOW....he is soooo out of it.

    The sad thing is it is going to take another major terrorist attack to wake this administration up....or.....we can also hope that the terrorists just continue to things up on there own. Well....I certainly feel safe, you?
    Do you really feel if McCain was our president this oil spill would be under control by now? I don't think ANY president would be prepared to handle something like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickDG View Post
    Do you really feel if McCain was our president this oil spill would be under control by now? I don't think ANY president would be prepared to handle something like this.
    Then why do we have one?
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  5. #225  
    Quote Originally Posted by NickDG View Post
    Do you really feel if McCain was our president this oil spill would be under control by now? I don't think ANY president would be prepared to handle something like this.
    I don't blame Obama for the spill, and I don't think Obama or the Federal Govt should have the darn hole plugged. Plugging the hole is the job of BP. After watching some interviews recently with folks down in that area, however, it does seem like the government is more in the way than helping. I'm not down there and I'm not involved and I'm not an expert, but when folks in the area are saying government officials are reacting slowly, it does get me questioning where Obama is. Then doing this moratorium thing that simply causes more people to be put out of work....holy cow....isn't that a bit stupid? I mean, the area is about to suffer from the environmental impact, so hey, let's put more people out of work to make a point. Good grief.

    I have no idea if another President would have done a better job.....why is that even important.....the bottom line is people down there feel the government is doing a poor job so that's the situation, not who would have done better. We are stuck with this Obama clown, so we just have to deal with his lack of experience....no use wishing for something we don't have. I will say, I have a feeling things would be running differently if we had someone in charge who has at least been the head of something in their life. I'll throw Mitt Romney's resume out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Yeah....I wonder just what is holding them up? Maybe they just want to be ineffective. Or maybe, just maybe, it's this:



    Republican obstructionism - Monday, June 7, 2010 | 2:06 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun
    Yup....democrats never blocked Bush appointees, huh? Google that....they did the same thing. Does that make it right, of course not. Unfortunately, both sides like to play the same game. That is why we need TERM LIMITS so that we don't have folks holding grudges for 20 or 30 years. Obama ran on being able to work with the Republicans....apparently....Obama isn't quite as persuasive as he thought he was. If Obama were to maybe, maybe start to move towards the middle, he might find some folks willing to work with him. Instead, he is determined to move on this socialist agenda that Republicans just aren't going to go along with (at least I pray they hold their ground when they can).
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  7. #227  
    Okay ladies and gents... New debate... Obama... Great President or the Greatest President?
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    Wrong thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runukraine View Post
    Okay ladies and gents... New debate... Obama... Great President or the Greatest President?
    Do you mean in his mind?
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  10. #230  
    Quote Originally Posted by runukraine View Post
    Okay ladies and gents... New debate... Obama... Great President or the Greatest President?
    I guess we'll see after his second term, when there is national health care, control of the oil companies and Wall Street, and the economy is exploding upward, and all of it over the obstructionism of the republicants.

    What's interesting is all the clamor about less government. If we've learned anything from BP and Wall Street, it's that we need more government. That's what I'm rooting for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I guess we'll see after his second term, when there is national health care, control of the oil companies and Wall Street, and the economy is exploding upward, and all of it over the obstructionism of the republicants.

    What's interesting is all the clamor about less government. If we've learned anything from BP and Wall Street, it's that we need more government. That's what I'm rooting for.
    Hey davidra....can you talk to the National democratic committee and see if they can make a point to promote all the democratic candidates this fall with "we just need more government". Your help would be appreciated on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I guess we'll see after his second term, when there is national health care, control of the oil companies and Wall Street, and the economy is exploding upward, and all of it over the obstructionism of the republicants.

    What's interesting is all the clamor about less government. If we've learned anything from BP and Wall Street, it's that we need more government. That's what I'm rooting for.
    What does our government do well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    What does our government do well under Republican leadership?

    What does our government do well under Democratic leadership?
    Nothing and nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshaccount View Post
    What does our government do well?
    I sure hope they can regulate big oil and Wall Street better than they have been under a republican administration. Otherwise we're pretty much screwed. We sure as hell couldn't do worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    We sure as hell couldn't do worse.
    Agreed.
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    While Obama might think about the people of the Gulf right before bed, and then immediately when he wakes up, in between those times he apparently is thinking of golf. Couldn't he have at least taken some folks with him out on the golf course who are involved in stopping this disaster? Maybe that would look better? I'm not opposed to the guy taking a break (but geez, he does seem to take a lot of breaks) and relaxing on the weekend....but holy cow....it's a perception issue. Whatever.....whenever Bush hit the golf course or headed to his Texas ranch all we heard from the left was how bad that was. Kind of hypocritical that you aren't knocking Obama when he relaxes, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    Living on the golf course which preceding disasters that could otherwise have been avoided is a bad thing, isn't it? Richard Clarke agrees. Though you might want to look into the actual record of vacation time spent if you're going to compare Bush to Obama before posting such falsehoods.
    This was from last year, but if anything I'm sure it has gotten worse: President Obama ties George W. Bush on golf - Patrick Gavin However, my main point was the perception. Bush got clobbered by the media everytime he touched the golf course, while for Obama, well, he deserves some free time, right? Double standard as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcrunner View Post
    Oh, I though we were talking about time off the job, as in vacation days. A few extra rounds of golf? Meh!

    The only ones making the claim that "Obama deserves some free time" are those throwing rocks.
    Exactly...it's just rounds of golf....and yet the media was all over Bush about it. I wasn't on this forum back then so I'm sure you would have been one of the few liberals running to his defense back then....so good for you. I can appreciate you having an open mind about that. Two for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I realize some of them are indeed academics, but all the "protestors" have a career based on the petroleum industry, and Williams was in Interior under Bush.
    So, if the debate was about, say healthcare, are you saying that people within the industry even if they were recognized as academic 'experts' should be discounted?
    Additionally,half the people did not complain at all about the report. Is it surprising they are not in favor of a moratorium?
    Not particularly, but their reasoning is what I think is important. A blanket moratorium will not increase safety, and may hurt the nation's economy more than the spill itself.
    Hopefully the White House considered input from Chambers of Commerce, recreational and commercial fishing interests, and tourism specialists, to say nothing of environmentalists, before making their final decision.
    The White House seems to have made their decision based purely on short-term politics. The impact of a six-month moratorium would pretty much ensure national harm. Imagine trying to conduct your practice with 20-30% less petroleum by-products. I don't think environmentalists and chamber of commerce really consider how dependent even they are on petroleum by-products.

    Just a few thoughts...
    Benefits should come at a cost | HoumaToday.com

    Oil rig layoffs forecast if deepwater drilling moratorium extends more than a month | NOLA.com

    Also keep in mind that this is not a 'conservative' issue, when people like Mary Landrieu, Donna Brazile, and James Carville are saying the same thing...
    In Louisiana, it's one damned thing after another: James Carville | NOLA.com
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...

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