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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    I don't believe tax payers should be responsible for this spill....BP should. We should not be bailing them out for their mistake. If this mistake sinks the company, then so be it. We (taxpayers) simply can't be involved in another bailout....we (taxpayers) simply can't afford it right now. Obama has us in enough trouble as it is. In the meantime, BP has plenty of cash on hand, and they are a functioning company making good money (for now). They pay a very nice dividend, but if due to their blunder they have to suspend the dividend, and divert that money to fix their mistake, then so be it. But as I said, I would be happy to donate some money to legitimate private organizations to help just as I donated money to help Katrina victims.
    ummm first I dont think nor do a lot of other people think this was a "mistake", possibly you could get away with accident.

    second, if BP fails as you say, and so be it.. Does that not mean that the govt is still left holding the bag for clean up.. with absolutely no means to recoup any of the costs??!!.. just asking.. oh and dont suggest the courts, as that can take weeks if not months for a ruling on that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Amazing. You just won't answer the question. I don't know if you're not reading it, or what the deal is. Please just try and concentrate and stop blabbering about dividends. What I'm trying to get you to comprehend is that the government is not equipped to stop the oil leak. They never have been. Given the fact that corporations just don't give a damn about the environment, do you feel that the government should be equipped to deal with disasters that are caused by corporations? Do you not see that the criticism, at least part of it, of Obama is because he has not been able to stop the leak? Micael will say otherwise, but that is clearly the case, even if it's unsaid. In addition, the government doesn't stockpile things like oil booms and skimmer boats. Should they? If you expect the government to be able to take over and stop the leaks and clean up when big oil is negligent, then where should the money come from to pay for the equipment? Let me give you a hint: the answer is the oil companies...but they haven't, and Obama does NOT have the equipment to stop the leak, or to effectively deal with clean-up. He's mobilized the National Guard, he has every Coast Guard boat available there. He cannot be criticized for not using something he doesn't have. Not that that will stop illogical complaints like those from Micael, but it should.
    No, what is amazing is why you don't see my answer, holy cow. Go back and read my answer, I don't believe we taxpayers should be paying for this. Are you asking me if the actual government should be down there trying to plug this thing? If that is what you are asking me, then my answer would be no. Why would the government have a team of experts that would be able to do this? The oil companies should be addressing this issue. If you think they don't have an incentive to get the oil flow stopped, then I don't think you understand what they are facing financially. The longer the oil flows, the more it is going to cost them....you do understand that, right? So I believe they are motivated to stop it. Do you think they have some motivation to keep the oil flowing into the Gulf? Have you seen me really criticize Obama for this? Please show me where I have said "Obama, stop the darn leak, just get off your **** and stop the leak." Please show me where I have said this....you can't....because I haven't. I have shown polls on what Americans think, but I don't think I have really gotten on his case that much for this issue. As for the clean up, I think the government could have done a better job of coordinating what BP should be doing, and they....BP....should refund the government any cost for the clean up. I don't know how to make this any more clear. You are so intent on disagreeing with me on any and everything that I don't think you are seeing that we are pretty close on this issue.

    You said this ".....then where should the money come from to pay for the equipment? Let me give you a hint: the answer is the oil companies...but they haven't....." Isn't that what I said? I have said, taxpayers should not be on the hook for any of these costs. Translation, this should be paid for by BP. Slow down when you read my posts, and realize that I am really not busting on Obama all that much (on this issue).

    If you want to know the truth, I believe the President (any President.....Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama) get blamed for far too many things that they really don't have control over. I thought Bush was given too much grief for the Katrina thing. Of course, you will be happy to blame Bush for not having enough water waiting after Katrina, but that is really not what the Prez is doing. Do you think the Prez is sitting in his office saying, "How about on Main Street, do we have water drop offs planned for Main Street". Good grief. But listen, democrats were so hungry to blame everything that went wrong in the aftermath of Katrina on Bush, and now, they get all up in arms about people throwing it right back at Obama. You can't have it both ways davidra. Now....did I answer your question?

    By the way....since you seem so angry if someone doesn't answer your questions, you never answered my question when I asked if you believed that Bush had anything to do with 9/11....well did he? Are you a truther?
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  3. #203  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    ummm first I dont think nor do a lot of other people think this was a "mistake", possibly you could get away with accident.
    Yes...."accident" is a better word. But, we won't know for sure if it was a "mistake" by someone (maybe someone not reporting something...maybe a procedure wasn't done correctly, who knows at this point?) or if it was really some faulty equipment. But if saying "accident" makes you feel better than I'm fine with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    second, if BP fails as you say, and so be it.. Does that not mean that the govt is still left holding the bag for clean up.. with absolutely no means to recoup any of the costs??!!.. just asking.. oh and dont suggest the courts, as that can take weeks if not months for a ruling on that..
    Obviously I can't guarantee that BP will do the right thing, but I do believe they will try. Time will tell. But if we get years down the road, and they simply won't pay for the clean up, then yes, we will have to foot the bill. But that still doesn't mean I can't say that we taxpayers should not pay a dime and should go after BP for every single penny. Fair enough? Whew.
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  4. #204  
    No, I don't believe anyone except terrorists caused 9/11. There are too many T*baggers like Debra Medina that are truthers. As far as I'm concerned, all truthers fit in the category of conspiracy theorists and are flakes...which is why they are so similar to the birthers.
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    Okay....I'm sure everyone has seen this....but seems like whenever something like this happened during a Bush speech, we had to endure liberals playing it over and over again and making fun of it. So, I won't mention the irony of this as I'll get painted by davidra as a being another SC Confederate Flag waiving redneck rascist. Yawn.

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  6. #206  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    second, if BP fails as you say, and so be it.. Does that not mean that the govt is still left holding the bag for clean up.. with absolutely no means to recoup any of the costs??!!..
    Well, except for the royalties they collect from drilling, the income taxes they collect from people who run/work in the industry, etc. Honestly, the things that are ticking people off in the area are the detachment and misplaced actions. For example, I'm sure that davidra wouldn't be too happy if the Obama administration's response to any lost tourism in Florida would be 'let them file for unemployment' or 'maybe they should be creating new jobs in renewable energy industries rather than depending on tourism'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Well, except for the royalties they collect from drilling, the income taxes they collect from people who run/work in the industry, etc. Honestly, the things that are ticking people off in the area are the detachment and misplaced actions. For example, I'm sure that davidra wouldn't be too happy if the Obama administration's response to any lost tourism in Florida would be 'let them file for unemployment' or 'maybe they should be creating new jobs in renewable energy industries rather than depending on tourism'.
    You would be correct. No other gulf state is as threatened financially by this spill as Florida, even though most of the oil so far has threatened Louisiana and even including the loss of oil jobs. Florida and Texas are essentially the only states in the south that have no state income tax. Florida has 700 miles of general shoreline, well more than twice the amount of Louisiana, and more than 10 times the amount of Alabama and Missisippi. Tourism makes up a massive amount of the income needed to run the state through bed taxes, sales tax, etc. With property tax revolts and plummeting tourism income, the state has essentially been bankrupt for several years, with massive cuts in education. This will very possibly push things to an unsustainable situation if tourism is destroyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    You would be correct. No other gulf state is as threatened financially by this spill as Florida, even though most of the oil so far has threatened Louisiana and even including the loss of oil jobs. Florida and Texas are essentially the only states in the south that have no state income tax. Florida has 700 miles of general shoreline, well more than twice the amount of Louisiana, and more than 10 times the amount of Alabama and Missisippi. Tourism makes up a massive amount of the income needed to run the state through bed taxes, sales tax, etc. With property tax revolts and plummeting tourism income, the state has essentially been bankrupt for several years, with massive cuts in education. This will very possibly push things to an unsustainable situation if tourism is destroyed.
    I say we put those tourists on the government payroll and have them start scooping up those tarballs! Sounds like a standard Demrod solution to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I say we put those tourists on the government payroll and have them start scooping up those tarballs! Sounds like a standard Demrod solution to me!
    hey us snowbirds are the tourists,, lol tarballs,, is that like the tar sands we have up here.. lolol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I say we put those tourists on the government payroll and have them start scooping up those tarballs! Sounds like a standard Demrod solution to me!

    The alternative, I guess, is having the National Guard do it. Of course, they work for nothing, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    hey us snowbirds are the tourists,, lol tarballs,, is that like the tar sands we have up here.. lolol
    I hear you have janes too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    The alternative, I guess, is having the National Guard do it. Of course, they work for nothing, right?
    In a way... they're already being paid.
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    hey i have an idea... lets send all the unemployed down there,,, they are getting paid right,, put em on buses trains, cattle cars,, what ever,, send em down there.. put those bums to work.. we end the problem with all those unemployed... heck,, just put up a bunch of tents,, feed em twice a day,, once every 12 hours,, work em 12 hours rest em for 4 and start over..

    i think that would end all the complaints about the unemployed.. and not to mention,,, if you do it with a the first bunch I am betting that most of the 2nd bunch would find work pretty darn quick..,, we can use the national guard to make sure they dont get off the beaches,, and to shoot the gators crocs and sharks that come into feed.. not to mention,, if you shoot the sharks and what not. your feed bill for the workers would go down..
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    hey i have an idea... lets send all the unemployed down there,,, they are getting paid right,, put em on buses trains, cattle cars,, what ever,, send em down there.. put those bums to work.. we end the problem with all those unemployed... heck,, just put up a bunch of tents,, feed em twice a day,, once every 12 hours,, work em 12 hours rest em for 4 and start over..

    i think that would end all the complaints about the unemployed.. and not to mention,,, if you do it with a the first bunch I am betting that most of the 2nd bunch would find work pretty darn quick..,, we can use the national guard to make sure they dont get off the beaches,, and to shoot the gators crocs and sharks that come into feed.. not to mention,, if you shoot the sharks and what not. your feed bill for the workers would go down..
    I wonder if this could be a Rotary project in some way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    I wonder if this could be a Rotary project in some way?
    ummm with my club.. those are very generous conditions.. they work us like dogs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    we can use the national guard to make sure they dont get off the beaches,, and to shoot the gators crocs and sharks that come into feed.. not to mention,, if you shoot the sharks and what not. your feed bill for the workers would go down..
    You don't get many crocs down here. At this time of the year, the mosquitos and the temperature are really the most dangerous thing. Well, other than the oil and the feds.
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    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    I realize some of them are indeed academics, but all the "protestors" have a career based on the petroleum industry, and Williams was in Interior under Bush. Additionally,half the people did not complain at all about the report. Is it surprising they are not in favor of a moratorium?

    Hopefully the White House considered input from Chambers of Commerce, recreational and commercial fishing interests, and tourism specialists, to say nothing of environmentalists, before making their final decision.
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    Oh geez....what exactly is this President doing? Other than hosting the likes of Paul McCartney and the Duke basketball team, playing basketball himself, standing in the rain, going around giving speeches like he is running for something right now, and putting us deeper and deeper into debt, when does he work on the important things? Shouldn't he be concentrating on something like this:

    Peggy Noonan: 'We Are Totally Unprepared' - WSJ.com

    I mean fine, do the normal democrat thing and say "This is Bush's fault", but I thought Obama was going to address issues like this? When does Obama become the President? At what point do you liberals have to say, "well, this does fall under Obama's watch." Holy cow. As John Stewart said, Obama is going to have to kick his own *****. Every day it seems like it becomes more and more apparent that his lack of experience in running anything is becoming a HUGE liability. Oh he speaks great....gonna fix any and everything....great, but it is all words and then he does nothing other than increase our debt. When in doubt, throw taxpayer money that isn't there at the issue. Even his great health care bill really doesn't address the issue....getting costs down. This is getting insane. WOW.....just WOW....he is soooo out of it.

    The sad thing is it is going to take another major terrorist attack to wake this administration up....or.....we can also hope that the terrorists just continue to things up on there own. Well....I certainly feel safe, you?
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