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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Well, he at least can remember a few stats. But are you never going to go within a mile of your home to avoid being in an accident?
    For the last 5 years I've been living under a bridge....1.5 miles from my house...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Wouldn't a better analogy be comparing a late 80s/early 90s 4-cylinder Mustang to a GT? I mean, sure, you can slap a turbo on the 4 banger and make it into a faster car, but it's still only a shadow of the V8.
    Not really because the ar15 and m4 are internally the same. it is only the selector switch that is the difference......like a manual and an automatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    Not really because the ar15 and m4 are internally the same. it is only the selector switch that is the difference......like a manual and an automatic.
    I'm wondering if we're thinking of the same M4 (basically a shorter version of the M16). The civilian versions are made to different standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    AH, so it IS socialist!!!



    The difference between a ar15 and an M4? Just the semi auto vs full auto and select fire plus some looks and cosmetics plus length. It's the same type receiver and basic function. You can say that they are completely different, because the NRA tells you to do so, but that does not make it true.

    Ah, No, No and NO.


    An AR15 is just that a semi-auto only receiver that can NOT accepted the auto sear of it's Assault Rifle counterpart. You can configure them pretty much with any barrel length you want, so long as it's not less than 16". Shorter than 16" is NFA and requires FBI back round check as well as a 200.00 tax stamp. (The same as buying a pre-86 machine gun, suppresor or AOW if your state allows.)

    A M16A2, A3 have 20" barrels and are Select fire- Semi, 3rd burst and safe. A M4 has a 14.5" barrel usually with a collapsible stock and is also select fire as above. It was designed primarily to be easier to handle when mounting, dismounting vehicles.
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  5. #145  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    You paint a vivid picture, and I know such people exist... but honestly, where's the issue? Are you saying all tea partiers are such?

    I've never personally met anyone that rushed out to buy guns cause Obama was a'cummin. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your anger and urgency.
    actually micael, i know of a couple of dozen, nice guys, but frankly parinoid as hell. Two of them went so far as to build, this is my term here, an underground bunker to store them. They were afraid of the Revenuerssss coming to take their guns. Why in the world one of em needed a 50 cal sniper rifle is beyond me, ( he had trouble hitting a barn door with a shot gun blast).
    Not to mention the damn gun scared the hell out of him, to the point he flinched badly prior to squeezing the trigger.
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    #146  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    actually micael, i know of a couple of dozen, nice guys, but frankly parinoid as hell. Two of them went so far as to build, this is my term here, an underground bunker to store them. They were afraid of the Revenuerssss coming to take their guns. Why in the world one of em needed a 50 cal sniper rifle is beyond me, ( he had trouble hitting a barn door with a shot gun blast).
    Not to mention the damn gun scared the hell out of him, to the point he flinched badly prior to squeezing the trigger.
    Come on, be honest. Maybe Obama was a part of their paranoia, but surely there's more to it... the national debt, the terrorist attacks, two wars - there's been a lot of fearful things to consider in recent years.

    I too know people that have taken steps recently... buying seed stores, replenishing emergency supplies. Concerned, maybe a little more than fearful, and trying to be prepared; maybe. Afeared dem obama revenuersss is a comin fer dere guns.... nah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Come on, be honest. Maybe Obama was a part of their paranoia, but surely there's more to it... the national debt, the terrorist attacks, two wars - there's been a lot of fearful things to consider in recent years.

    I too know people that have taken steps recently... buying seed stores, replenishing emergency supplies. Concerned, maybe a little more than fearful, and trying to be prepared; maybe. Afeared dem obama revenuersss is a comin fer dere guns.... nah.

    Ammo hard to find as gun owners stock up - CNN.com

    AURORA, Colorado (CNN) -- Gun shops across the country are reporting a run on ammunition, a phenomenon apparently driven by fear that the Obama administration will increase taxes on bullets or enact new gun-control measures.



    "In the last two months it's gotten very, very difficult to find ammunition," says Richard Taylor, manager of The Firing Line, a gun shop and shooting range in the Denver, Colorado, suburbs.
    "There are a lot of rumors floating around that the present government would like to increase taxes on ammunition. I think [there is] just a lot of panicked buying going on."
    While campaigning for the White House, Obama supported re-enacting the now-expired ban on assault weapons. But there is no indication that the administration will take up that measure -- or any other gun-control initiative --anytime soon.
    Nonetheless, some gun owners aren't taking any chances.
    Two weeks ago, The Firing Line was forced to impose a four-box-per-customer limit on ammo. Before that, the shop was selling 10,000 rounds of 9 mm handgun ammunition a day.
    Some calibers of ammunition have been unavailable for months.
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    #148  
    Oh come on davidra, to be fair even that article made it clear the decision to buy up ammo was an economic one (possible even if unlikely tax hikes), not a political ideological one ("he's a commie and will take our guns").

    I also wonder how many stories like this are actual indications of a trend across the country. I don't care if its CNN or Fox running the story, the bottom line with 24 hour cable news channels is that they are built on hype and the next great story, and this particular article seems to be a perfect example of that.
  9. #149  
    Quote Originally Posted by solarus View Post
    Oh come on davidra, to be fair even that article made it clear the decision to buy up ammo was an economic one (possible even if unlikely tax hikes), not a political ideological one ("he's a commie and will take our guns").

    I also wonder how many stories like this are actual indications of a trend across the country. I don't care if its CNN or Fox running the story, the bottom line with 24 hour cable news channels is that they are built on hype and the next great story, and this particular article seems to be a perfect example of that.
    You're kidding, right? Or you don't own guns and haven't been to a gun shop in a while. Tell you what, just do a Google search on "Obama run on guns" and see over what time period you get hits back. This has been an ongoing fear, with significant consequences for those who buy ammo, ever since the election....up until today.
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    Buying up ammo because of rumors of new or increased taxes does not equate to "Obama's coming fer our guns" panic, as some of the previous posts seemed to infer.

    In fact, it's kind of logical.
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    Gotta agree with Davidra on this, This past election created a good deal of panic buying. It's almost back to normal now, with the exception of popular handgun ammo.

    The fear of the unknown can change everything overnight.
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    #152  
    Quote Originally Posted by cjgem View Post
    Gotta agree with Davidra on this, This past election created a good deal of panic buying. It's almost back to normal now, with the exception of popular handgun ammo.

    The fear of the unknown can change everything overnight.
    You didn't get that from his article. What's your source for the panic buying created by the election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    You didn't get that from his article. What's your source for the panic buying created by the election?
    Like I said. Just Google "Obama run on guns" and see what you get.Obama win triggers run on guns

    Election and gun sales


    But whatever the reason, gun dealers in red and blue states alike say they've never seen anything like the run on weaponry they've been experiencing since Election Day— surpassing even the panic buying in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    "People are terrified of losing their right to protect themselves," said DeWayne Irwin, owner of Cheaper Than Dirt, a large gun store in Ft. Worth. "The volume is 10 times what we ever expected. It started with assault rifles, but at this point people are buying ammunition, high-capacity magazines, Glocks—it's all flying off the shelf. With the economy the way it is, people are worried about instability. They are scared of civil unrest."
    There's tons of them.
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    #154  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    You're kidding, right? Or you don't own guns and haven't been to a gun shop in a while. Tell you what, just do a Google search on "Obama run on guns" and see over what time period you get hits back. This has been an ongoing fear, with significant consequences for those who buy ammo, ever since the election....up until today.
    I'm not saying that there aren't people out there buying up guns n' ammo out of irrational political fear, only that the story you quoted wasn't illustrative of that. And while I have not been in a gun store recently, I do have friends that have and they haven't run into any problems getting ammo. Then again, maybe its b/c ammo for hunting rifles isn't the kind of ammo that the gun buyers out there are worried about.

    Your last post from the Chicago Tribune is a much better example to support your argument, even if it is wrong .

    But in seriousness, you may be right about a lot of people buying up ammo, but you know what, if some people out there think the Obama Administration will not face a ton of difficulty in "taking their guns", then let them buy all the ammo they want. If they don't realize that gun control, while traditionally big on the Democrat agenda, isn't at the top of Obama's list then that's their problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarus View Post
    But in seriousness, you may be right about a lot of people buying up ammo, but you know what, if some people out there think the Obama Administration will not face a ton of difficulty in "taking their guns", then let them buy all the ammo they want. If they don't realize that gun control, while traditionally big on the Democrat agenda, isn't at the top of Obama's list then that's their problem.
    What? You mean there are some on the right that don't really know what Obama stands for? That I agree with you on, 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    You didn't get that from his article. What's your source for the panic buying created by the election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    What? You mean there are some on the right that don't really know what Obama stands for? That I agree with you on, 100%.
    Funny thing is that it wasn't just right wingers buying up everything.
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    #158  
    Quote Originally Posted by cjgem View Post
    Funny thing is that it wasn't just right wingers buying up everything.
    Guns aren't just associated with the right. I have quite a few Democrat friends who are just as hardcore 2nd amendment as the average Republican NRA member.

    And to davidra's quote I would add that there are plenty of people who don't know Obama's agenda, he has done a lousy job since the election of letting anyone know, healthcare being the sole exception. His indecisiveness is what makes him so ineffective IMO. Well that and how he wants to accomplish his goals!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarus View Post
    Guns aren't just associated with the right. I have quite a few Democrat friends who are just as hardcore 2nd amendment as the average Republican NRA member.

    And to davidra's quote I would add that there are plenty of people who don't know Obama's agenda, he has done a lousy job since the election of letting anyone know, healthcare being the sole exception. His indecisiveness is what makes him so ineffective IMO. Well that and how he wants to accomplish his goals!!
    I have several guns. I use them. At the same time I favor more restrictive control. I am not the least bit worried about anyone coming to take my guns away. That is absurd hyperbole. I don't have a problem with speed limits, or control over who drives, or limiting who can fly an airplane.

    I think his indecisiveness is because he really does think he can get a bipartisan government. He can't, no matter what he does. Hopefully he'll have learned something by now, but I"m not sure. He can be a great president if he just leads, takes stands, and moves ahead. By polls, people like him and trust him, just don't like his agenda. He has an opportunity if he takes it. He's kind of stumbled through things and still gotten a lot done. If he really works at it, he could be historic...in a good way.
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    I'm not so sure that most of the panic buying was because of a worry about firearms being confiscated. I think there was a genuine fear of another assault weapons ban, this time with teeth. That put people that were on the fence about buying, say an AR15, over the top before you couldn't anymore.
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