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  1. #161  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    i might humbly suggest the following, if the govt had of federalized the spill you would have been on here complaining about the damn socialist govt was doing things that oil companies know how to do.. that its just one more example of Obama and his socialist agenda...
    The people who criticize Federal actions sometimes get lucky in being right. I think the Top poster got lucky and is having his day in the sun.

    Meanwhile I hope the White House starts doing a 100% in everything, 99% just wont do it for the critics....
  2. #162  
    Well on sunday I won't require Federal workers and elected officials give it 100%. After all it will be mother's day and I don't expect anyone to be distracted in giving their mothers 100%.
  3. #163  
    Quote Originally Posted by philpalm View Post
    The people who criticize Federal actions sometimes get lucky in being right. I think the Top poster got lucky and is having his day in the sun.

    Meanwhile I hope the White House starts doing a 100% in everything, 99% just wont do it for the critics....
    except his own post blows him out of the water.. reread the part where they have been trying more things then ever before.. hmmmmm i think thats 100 percent
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       #164  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    i might humbly suggest the following, if the govt had of federalized the spill you would have been on here complaining about the damn socialist govt was doing things that oil companies know how to do.. that its just one more example of Obama and his socialist agenda...
    I dunno. I might of, but I doubt it. You keep thinking I'm complaining about them not doing enough or something. I'm not.
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  5. #165  
    Obama's fault? This was drilled under Bush and didn't have the safeguards it was supposed to. Socialist agenda? Get your head out and look to the last group of goofballs that were in the whitehouse and what they did...where were you then? Bush started the bailouts with $700 BILLION to a bunch of liers...where were you then? Holy crap, go to church already and beg for forgiveness, hate doesn't get you into heaven....
  6. #166  
    Quote Originally Posted by callderek View Post
    Obama's fault? This was drilled under Bush and didn't have the safeguards it was supposed to. Socialist agenda? Get your head out and look to the last group of goofballs that were in the whitehouse and what they did...where were you then? Bush started the bailouts with $700 BILLION to a bunch of liers...where were you then?
    yep everything is Bush's fault.

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    Holy crap, go to church already and beg for forgiveness, hate doesn't get you into heaven....
    First part of the quote blames everything on Bush and then suggests we stop hating. Classic.
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  7. #167  
    Ok ok guys. Both presidents should be at fault, more so though the company BP, even more so Deep Horizon.

    Great article:
    Safety Device Questioned in '04 - WSJ.com

    "Only three of 14 newly build rigs had blowout preventers that were able to squeeze off and cut the pipe at the water pressure likely to be experienced at the equipment's maximum water depth, the study noted."

    "In two offshore incidents in 2001, the rams didn't work as expected. The agency issued new rules in 2003 instructing the oil industry to make sure the rams would work reliably."

    Currently over a million gallons a day pour into gulf waters. This could be the largest disaster in our lifetimes.

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  8. #168  
    Quote Originally Posted by IcerC View Post
    Ok ok guys. Both presidents should be at fault, more so though the company BP, even more so Deep Horizon.

    Great article:
    Safety Device Questioned in '04 - WSJ.com

    "Only three of 14 newly build rigs had blowout preventers that were able to squeeze off and cut the pipe at the water pressure likely to be experienced at the equipment's maximum water depth, the study noted."

    "In two offshore incidents in 2001, the rams didn't work as expected. The agency issued new rules in 2003 instructing the oil industry to make sure the rams would work reliably."

    Currently over a million gallons a day pour into gulf waters. This could be the largest disaster in our lifetimes.

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    Oil companies gave sex, drinks, gifts to federal overseers | McClatchy
    Sorry. This administration bears no blame for anything. They responded to the information they had. As far as the previous administration, you can thank the big **** and his boss for this problem.

    A common spin in the right wing coverage of BP's oil spill is a gleeful suggestion that the gulf blowout is Obama's Katrina.
    In truth, culpability for the disaster can more accurately be laid at the Bush Administration's doorstep. For eight years, George Bush's presidency infected the oil industry's oversight agency, the Minerals Management Service, with a septic culture of corruption from which it has yet to recover. Oil patch alumnae in the White House encouraged agency personnel to engineer weakened safeguards that directly contributed to the gulf catastrophe.
    The absence of an acoustical regulator -- a remotely triggered dead man's switch that might have closed off BP's gushing pipe at its sea floor wellhead when the manual switch failed (the fire and explosion on the drilling platform may have prevented the dying workers from pushing the button) -- was directly attributable to industry pandering by the Bush team. Acoustic switches are required by law for all offshore rigs off Brazil and in Norway's North Sea operations. BP uses the device voluntarily in Britain's North Sea and elsewhere in the world as do other big players like Holland's Shell and France's Total. In 2000, the Minerals Management Service while weighing a comprehensive rulemaking for drilling safety, deemed the acoustic mechanism "essential" and proposed to mandate the mechanism on all gulf rigs.
    Then, between January and March of 2001, incoming Vice President **** Cheney conducted secret meetings with over 100 oil industry officials allowing them to draft a wish list of industry demands to be implemented by the oil friendly administration. Cheney also used that time to re-staff the Minerals Management Service with oil industry toadies including a cabal of his Wyoming carbon cronies. In 2003, newly reconstituted Minerals Management Service genuflected to the oil cartel by recommending the removal of the proposed requirement for acoustic switches. The Minerals Management Service's 2003 study concluded that "acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly."
    The acoustic trigger costs about $500,000. Estimated costs of the oil spill to Gulf Coast residents are now upward of $14 billion to gulf state communities. Bush's 2005 energy bill officially dropped the requirement for the acoustic switch off devices explaining that the industry's existing practices are "failsafe."
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  9. #169  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Sorry. This administration bears no blame for anything. They responded to the information they had. As far as the previous administration, you can thank the big **** and his boss for this problem.
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    BUT THAT's THE THING! What could bush have done? The regulation says nothing about new shear rams.

    I don't blame either pres.. Unless the they find out an acoustic switch would have helped, which I now doubt.
  10. #170  
    Dude are you serious that his response was slow? In actuality my friend the Federal Government and its resources were on site day 1. Isn't the coast guard a federal agency? So in actuality what Obama and his administration stated is true. In reference to the spill itself it took the administration 9 days and not 12 days to give an urgent reaction. I mean what do you do when the company that caused the disaster is constantly saying "everything is under control"? BP made this spill seem very very minor until it blew up in their faces when not 1 but 3 holes were leaking. Conservatives really crack me up and most points GUBMENT needs to stay out of the way and know they are stating that the GUBMENT the react fast enough. Which one is it gonna be people!!! SMH
  11. #171  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I dunno. I might of, but I doubt it. You keep thinking I'm complaining about them not doing enough or something. I'm not.
    no your saying they are lying, which they are not. if your twisting things up, which i believe you are, you are saying that the 100 percent Obama and crew claim on day one was not true. Repeatedly it has been shown that they were 100 percent each and every day. When BP upped the ante with not one leak but three, your govt responded. Unless of course the govt should have known the company was withholding info.. which would mean Obama would have to be clairvoyant. Or see the BP execs nose growing when they were lying. gessh micael.. give it up.
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  12. #172  
    So now we are back to BP withholding info?
  13. #173  
    Quote Originally Posted by cjgem View Post
    So now we are back to BP withholding info?
    no, i dont think they were, as i said in prior posts, this has been an extremely fluid event. I just do not see where your govt has been lying to you.. i was attempting to make a point, who knows, perhaps BP was withholding, I highly doubt it.. 5000 plus feet of water can be a little difficult to see in, let alone work in.. add the debris, the oil, etc etc, i would not be surprised if there was 4 or 5 leaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darreno1 View Post
    You have yet to demonstrate this 'misinformation'.
    I didn't say 'misinformation'. I said 'lies'. And after posting numerous articles, links to articles, and videos, I'm not sure what else I can do to 'demonstrate' what's written in black and white.

    Apparently you've not bothered to read what I've posted.
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       #175  
    Quote Originally Posted by callderek View Post
    Obama's fault? This was drilled under Bush and didn't have the safeguards it was supposed to. Socialist agenda? Get your head out and look to the last group of goofballs that were in the whitehouse and what they did...where were you then? Bush started the bailouts with $700 BILLION to a bunch of liers...where were you then? Holy crap, go to church already and beg for forgiveness, hate doesn't get you into heaven....
    Tell us. At what point will this administration and president take responsibility? 2? 3 years from now? Geez, I bet we can blame Bush for the next decade, don't you?
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  16. #176  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Tell us. At what point will this administration and president take responsibility? 2? 3 years from now? Geez, I bet we can blame Bush for the next decade, don't you?
    based on bush's track record with lying, ya you probably can.. Weapons of mass destruction anyone... etc etc etc
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  17. #177  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post


    Obama gets an F for his awareness and caring about the plight of the Gulf region, it's ecology, and the gulf connected economies that could be devastated. Nevermind that it may surpass the damage caused by the Valdez.

    As soon as he started getting heat from some corners, he shoves Napolitano out to on the talking heads circuit to lie about the government being 100% "on it" since day one. What a crock. He could care less....
    i doubt very very much that he could care less. show me where they have not been on it since day one.. without any bipartisan bs,, say a neuteral report..
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  18. #178  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I didn't say 'misinformation'. I said 'lies'. And after posting numerous articles, links to articles, and videos, I'm not sure what else I can do to 'demonstrate' what's written in black and white.

    Apparently you've not bothered to read what I've posted.
    Your articles and videos don't do your cause any justice. I have read through most of them looking for the 'lies", but can't find them. I'm not going to waste any more time.
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  19. #179  
    You know it's the companies fault. Not Bush not Obama. You guys are pathetically bickering politics when there's nothing they could have done to change this.

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  20. #180  
    Quote Originally Posted by IcerC View Post
    You know it's the companies fault. Not Bush not Obama. You guys are pathetically bickering politics when there's nothing they could have done to change this.
    It's the company's fault that they didn't have the safeguards in place that are required by every other country that does deep drilling....but the Bush administration arranged that to save them money.

    This tying the word "lies" to this situation on Obama's part is absurd. Was there some exaggeration? Maybe. As someone pointed out, hindsight is great. They were only 90% on it instead of 100%? That's lying? Ridiculous. They were involved to the extent they thought appropriate based on the information they were given by the company and by the Coast Guard. When they start using Ouija Boards, maybe they'll be able to predict the future better than they can at present. And when Micael says, based on the daily timetable that has already been posted, what he would have done more at any time to be "100%" up on it, I'm ready to listen. But I'm not counting on seeing him even comment on it.
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