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    i use to live on the north west coast of BC canada, lil town of Prince Rupert. just a few miles from the ol Alaskan panhandle.. Exxon Valdez anyone, they are still paying for that lil one. Dollar wise and ecologically, salmon, herring, stocks crashed,,, big time. Not to mention a bunch of other species. NO I am not blaming Bush, lolo but if ya want i will lol. As to the auto well cap, is 500,000.00 to much to pay for it, well, turns out nope, but like anything else, its a risk, that all companies will take. its simple, how many wells are they drilling out there, multiply that by 500 K. its a lot of cash. however, based on profits from these companies in the last few years, lol, well jimmy, this could cost BP one hell of a lot more then all their wells put together times 10.
    oh by the way, yes that socialist National Geographic chanel is still doing stories about the oil that is still on those beachs up in Alaska, and no Jimmy you dont have to dig down far to find it. Not far at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    People do not blame Bush for Katrina
    Wow.... just wow. Even Hillary Clinton blamed it on W because of his environmental policies. There's numerous videos on youtube blaming Katrina on Bush, or indirectly on Bush (they blame the Gov).

    I'm not arguing about his response time. At least he didn't come out and say, however, that the government was 100% on it from day 1, as this administration has falsely claimed about the BP spill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Wow.... just wow. Even Hillary Clinton blamed it on W because of his environmental policies. There's numerous videos on youtube blaming Katrina on Bush, or indirectly on Bush (they blame the Gov).

    I'm not arguing about his response time. At least he didn't come out and say, however, that the government was 100% on it from day 1, as this administration has falsely claimed about the BP spill.
    Just because you keep saying it doesn't mean it's true. Again, one comment by one person who might not have even been aware means the entire administration is full of liars? And yes, others picked it up but it's all absurd parsing. Like I said....grow up and get over it. You're the only one in this thread that persists in this nonsense, even among those that don't like Obama. Don't you feel even a little bit ridiculous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    i think if you look back at the timeline of Katrina vs this oil spill there is a distinct difference.
    The main difference is the news media coverage. Having people chanting 'help' and holding signs makes for better TV. Granted, the Katrina coverage was much lower hanging fruit due to logistics.
    Day one after Katrina, the whole freaking US knew how bad it was including Bushyet he did nothing, including days afterward.
    So, why does the Coast Guard not get credit in that case? Also, I'm doubtful that the whole freaking US really had a complete picture of 'how bad it was' given that I know of at least two politicians that were outright making stories up on the national media.
    Day one after oil spill, no one knew how bad it was.
    Anyone wonder why not?

    From where I sit, there are a good number of people who are viewing the two events in exactly the same light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    The main difference is the news media coverage. Having people chanting 'help' and holding signs makes for better TV. Granted, the Katrina coverage was much lower hanging fruit due to logistics.

    So, why does the Coast Guard not get credit in that case? Also, I'm doubtful that the whole freaking US really had a complete picture of 'how bad it was' given that I know of at least two politicians that were outright making stories up on the national media.

    Anyone wonder why not?

    From where I sit, there are a good number of people who are viewing the two events in exactly the same light.

    No doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Just because you keep saying it doesn't mean it's true. Again, one comment by one person who might not have even been aware means the entire administration is full of liars?
    We're not talking about 1 offhand comment by some obscure admin official. We're talking about the Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

    And I didn't hear you running to Bush's defense when people blamed him for everything from global warming to katrina to 9/11.
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    DSCC capitalizes on oil spill

    The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee emailed to ask supporters today to sign a petition to "stand with President Obama to hold BP accountable."

    Petitioning the White House to keep doing what it's doing is a bit of an odd stance, but the world of political email is always a bit detached from reality, and petitions are a great way both of harvesting email addresses and of bringing supporters smoothly onto the contribution page, which is where a petition signature takes you.

    Says the email:

    [H]ere's a perfect example of why we must keep fighting:

    Last week's deadly oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico has unleashed an oil spill that threatens livelihoods, pristine beaches, and wildlife along America's coast. The spill could eclipse the damage done by the 1989 Exxon-Valdez disaster.

    The Obama administration has vowed to "keep a boot on the throat" of BP to ensure the corporation is held accountable for the spill. But Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh has a different plan. He said there's no need to clean up the spill because "the ocean will take care of this on its own," and that oil is "natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is."

    Sign our petition. Stand with President Obama to hold BP accountable for this disastrous spill. Rush Limbaugh is entirely wrong: This oil will not clean itself up. Corporations must be held accountable for their actions....
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    Hrm.... "Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh"? And knowing Rush, he may have used those words, but I'm pretty sure it's taken completely out of context.

    But the bigger issue.... using this disaster to drive traffic to their contributions page? Maybe it's legal, but ethical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    So, why does the Coast Guard not get credit in that case? Also, I'm doubtful that the whole freaking US really had a complete picture of 'how bad it was' given that I know of at least two politicians that were outright making stories up on the national media.
    In Katrina's aftermath, the Coast Guard rescued or evacuated more than 33,500 people, six times as many as it saved in all of 2004. The Coast Guard was saving lives before any other federal agency--despite the fact that almost half the local Coast Guard personnel lost their own homes in the hurricane.
    Hurricane Katrina: How The Coast Guard Gets It Right - TIME
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post



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    Hrm.... "Republican Leader Rush Limbaugh"? And knowing Rush, he may have used those words, but I'm pretty sure it's taken completely out of context.

    But the bigger issue.... using this disaster to drive traffic to their contributions page? Maybe it's legal, but ethical?

    Oh, that's funny. You're raising ethics? LOL.

    I think they're smart, and the reason is that any republicans that get elected will do whatever they can to protect the big oil people, and you know it. I saw the clip in which leader Limbaugh made that statement, and it wasn't out of context at all. And the republicans are doing their best to make sure that big oil is well protected, even in the face of this mess.

    Republicans, whose "Drill, baby, drill" message is being smothered by an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico, are trying out an old standby -- gasoline prices.





    Some GOP lawmakers and leaders are seeking to regain their footing with a counterattack on the anti-drilling chorus that is growing louder each day as the slick from a deepwater BP PLC well grows and bears down on the Gulf Coast.
    The House Republican Conference, led by Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, has assembled an "Energy Rapid Response Team" with seven House members at the ready to deliver the message that putting the brakes on coastal drilling will only boost oil imports and prices at the pump.
    "As the price of gas continues to climb, the following House Republicans are available to comment that now is not the time to increase our dependence on foreign oil by retreating from offshore exploration," the conference informed media outlets in an advisory today.
    Great message. What idiots. Hope their base enjoys this. Even Palin has more sense than they do.

    In Bid to Boost Drilling, GOP Counterattacks With Focus on Gas Prices - NYTimes.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Great message. What idiots. Hope their base enjoys this. Even Palin has more sense than they do.
    Glad to see you're still hitting all the Democrat talking points. Good job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Glad to see you're still hitting all the Democrat talking points. Good job!

    Democratic talking points? You mean like Ahnold? Or that T-bagger Rubio?

    CLEARWATER -- CLEARWATER -- The day after he effectively locked down the GOP U.S. Senate nomination, Marco Rubio backed off his support for expanded drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and wouldn't commit to releasing state party credit card statements.

    Rubio has strongly supported more drilling off Florida's coast, but in the aftermath of the oil rig explosion near Louisiana, he said Friday that no expansion should take place until that spill is investigated.

    ``We should be very concerned with what led to this disaster, and until that question is answered I don't think we can move forward on anything else,'' he added.






    Rubio tempers his support for oil drilling in the Gulf - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Democratic talking points? You mean like Ahnold? Or that T-bagger Rubio?


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    By the way, if anyone is curious as to what the 'dome' that has been mentioned several times looks like, I've attached a picture...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I saw the clip in which leader Limbaugh made that statement, and it wasn't out of context at all.
    Seriously, I looked for such a link. All I could find was leftist blogs deriding him. Would you mind sharing the link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    By the way, if anyone is curious as to what the 'dome' that has been mentioned several times looks like, I've attached a picture...
    Why does this pic remind me of waco.... hrm...
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    Ooo, this could get just a bit dicey....

    Obama biggest recipient of BP cash
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    What about "Good Job, Brownie"?
    If she want's to resign like Brown, I'm good with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Wow.... just wow. Even Hillary Clinton blamed it on W because of his environmental policies. There's numerous videos on youtube blaming Katrina on Bush, or indirectly on Bush (they blame the Gov).

    I'm not arguing about his response time. At least he didn't come out and say, however, that the government was 100% on it from day 1, as this administration has falsely claimed about the BP spill.

    Well at least you're acknowledging he screwed up, which is the crux of the blame he got. No he did not cause Katrina. And there is enough blame to go around as to why New Orleans wasn't prepared. But I'll repeat, the 'big deal' made about Katrina was in the response time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    If she want's to resign like Brown, I'm good with that.
    Nice deflection, a classic right wing tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Seriously, I looked for such a link. All I could find was leftist blogs deriding him. Would you mind sharing the link?

    Well, this is from his own website. I saw the clip on a show (probably on MSNBC, of course).

    RUSH: [H]e is saying something that happens. The oil spill will break up. I'm not trying to minimize it here. But ecology does take care of itself, the planet does. Why all the panic? Oh, a crisis. Well, it's gonna break up. It's not going to be a giant glob when it hits, but it's going to pose problems. I'm not gonna say it's not going to pose problems, but he's saying that as it breaks up it will break down. You know, seawater is pretty tough stuff. Try living in it for a while. Oil has a tough time surviving. This many gallons of oil seep from the floor of the Gulf of Mexico every day, just spread out over the whole floor of the Gulf and it never surfaces 'cause it gets eaten alive, but it seeps from the ocean floor at this amount. Not as concentrated obviously as coming from this well.
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