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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Oh come on davidra....we know the answer here....it's simple.....DOUBLE STANDARD. Wall Street execs are "greedy" and "bad" and "unethical" until they want to give Obama money and then their behavior is over looked or maybe "not as bad as others" or "he knew nothing about what was going on" or, as you put it, really "competent and not a crook like many of them." When in reality....it's nothing more than a political double standard. I don't try and say there aren't double standards on the right, but love how you guys refuse to acknowledge it exists on the left. Whether Conservative or liberal, they are politicians.
    If there's one thing I've learned from your posts, it's that whenever you say "we know the answer here...it's simple", there will likely be a comment I disagree with. Everyone has an element of greed, it's just a matter of what it takes to unleash it. Kind of like "we know what you do for a living, the only question is how much do we have to pay you?".

    The most important thing to me is competence in the job they are supposed to be doing. By and large, I think determining someone's competence based on things like what they did when they were young, or who they hung out with is just stupid, no matter which party we're talking about. I do find hypocrisy enlightening in politics, whether we're talking about Larry Craig, John Ensign, Vitter, or John Edwards. I think they lack the judgement to function effectively....but I don't care about their personal lives per se. It made no difference to me that W was a drinker, probably a coke user, and avoided the draft....if he had been competent as a president. He wasn't. Obama is competent, effective, and will remain so no matter how hard you try to make him seem otherwise.
  2.    #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Obama is competent, effective, and will remain so no matter how hard you try to make him seem otherwise.
    Obama is competent to be a community organizer, but the jury is still out on being Prez. Effective? He had both the House and the Senate in his hip pocket and still couldn't get healthcare reform done until they resorted to "politics as usual" (wasn't he going to change that? Wasn't that some of that "change we could count on" crap?) to push it through. So the jury is out on just how effective the dude is. He certainly hasn't been effective with his "we are the world" mentality on foreign affairs. So, no matter how hard you try to make him seem to be competent or effective, that jury will be out until we see otherwise.
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  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    He had both the House and the Senate in his hip pocket and still couldn't get healthcare reform done until they resorted to "politics as usual" (wasn't he going to change that? Wasn't that some of that "change we could count on" crap?) to push it through. So the jury is out on just how effective the dude is. He certainly hasn't been effective with his "we are the world" mentality on foreign affairs. So, no matter how hard you try to make him seem to be competent or effective, that jury will be out until we see otherwise.
    Who was playing "politics as usual"? What he got, instead of collaboration, was stone-walling. He did screw up. He actually thought some republicans would want to do things to help the country, even if all the democrats didn't. Bad mistake. Lock-stepped naysayers with no alternatives. Waterloo-ers. Considering how much support he's gotten, he's done quite a bit, thank you. And I'm sure I don't need to document it all....although in your case you probably need it reminded over and over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    If a ceo creates a self proclaimed "sh**ty fund" to bilk the middle class out of their money to line his own pockets, thus destroying the nations/worlds economy, that is just good ole capitalism
    Come on, Ken. That's not fair. Of course that's not good ole capitalism. That's abuse of position. Capitalism needs checks and balances- just like anything else that can be a good thing, there are abuses to guard against.
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  5.    #105  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Who was playing "politics as usual"? What he got, instead of collaboration, was stone-walling. He did screw up. He actually thought some republicans would want to do things to help the country, even if all the democrats didn't. Bad mistake. Lock-stepped naysayers with no alternatives. Waterloo-ers. Considering how much support he's gotten, he's done quite a bit, thank you. And I'm sure I don't need to document it all....although in your case you probably need it reminded over and over again.
    Okay....he did get his children a dog and he did say he was going to do that....so....I'll give him that. As for healthcare...time will tell. No need to rehash all that stuff other than to say if you ask most democrats it didn't accomplish what they wanted (universal healthcare) and I believe even you made it quite clear that you didn't think it was as socialistic as you would have liked. But whatever, it turned out to not be a bill that will get medical costs under control, but rather a bill that looks like something is being done. And that is what is important, right?....perception? So yes, I'm afraid you will have to continue to remind me over and over again what his spin folks are saying he has accomplished.
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  6.    #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    If a ceo creates a self proclaimed "sh**ty fund" to bilk the middle class out of their money to line his own pockets, thus destroying the nations/worlds economy, that is just good ole capitalism
    I believe the "S fund" comment came from a sales person selling the investment to hedge funds. That is far different from how you labeled it.....stretch things much? I mentioned this before, but the democrat investment guru Warren Buffet doesn't agree with you. Now....I know nothing about what you do for a living, and in fact, you may be a large fund manager with vast knowledge on these typse of investments.....but unless you can prove that....I'm going to side with Buffet and his experience in investments vs your knowledge. Nothing personal. I certainly am not up on these investments, but it might help to read up on what "market makers" do and then you might understand what Buffet was saying.
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  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    But whatever, it turned out to not be a bill that will get medical costs under control, but rather a bill that looks like something is being done. And that is what is important, right?....perception? So yes, I'm afraid you will have to continue to remind me over and over again what his spin folks are saying he has accomplished.
    No. For the thousandth time, what's important is that as many people have health insurance as is possible. And they will.
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