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    It's simple, prosecute the business owners that hire illegal immigrants. Fracking republicans whine like babies about illegal immigrants but just who owns the businesses hiring them? It's not ACORN, it's the same conservatives whining about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    It's simple, prosecute the business owners that hire illegal immigrants. Fracking republicans whine like babies about illegal immigrants but just who owns the businesses hiring them? It's not ACORN, it's the same conservatives whining about it.
    Though I rarely agree with your opinions I totally agree with you on this. But, it's not just the fault of us whining conservatives. The liberals in power do nothing to enforce the current laws. Why? I'm assuming that they own business too that make incredible profits from hiring low paid illegal aliens. Not all conservatives are rich business owners there are few who are liberals too. Anyway, here is an example of just one incident of the Feds doing what they are suppose to be doing.

    Fedsí push to seize restaurant a rare one

    Now if we could get all those liberals in congress and the Prez to push for this kind of enforcement we'd all, liberals and conservatives, be better off.
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    I'm not against enforcement of US immagration laws but there is no legal way to enfore the AZ law. It's blatent racial profiling. Putting a footnote on the law saying we won't racial profile doesn't change that. What does an illegal immgrant look like? I bet someone from england with an expired visa will never get stopped by police. Some people have never had to deal with police many times for no reason so you couldn't understand. It's bad enough without these broad sweeping powers imangane now.
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    #304  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    It's simple, prosecute the business owners that hire illegal immigrants. Fracking republicans whine like babies about illegal immigrants but just who owns the businesses hiring them? It's not ACORN, it's the same conservatives whining about it.
    I'm sure you have some compelling data to support that claim. I'm very curious to see what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtone View Post
    I'm not against enforcement of US immagration laws but there is no legal way to enfore the AZ law. It's blatent racial profiling. Putting a footnote on the law saying we won't racial profile doesn't change that. What does an illegal immgrant look like? I bet someone from england with an expired visa will never get stopped by police. Some people have never had to deal with police many times for no reason so you couldn't understand. It's bad enough without these broad sweeping powers imangane now.
    Well if there is no legal way to enforce the law then I guess you cannot enforce Federal law. This law mimics federal law which the feds won't enforce and only give AZ law enforcement the same powers Federal law enforcement have had for a while. Read the law and not what they tell you on CNN. My wife is a legal immigrant and federal law requires her to have her permanent resident card on her possession at all times just in case she is stopped by police and is asked if she is a citizen or not. She understands the law. She is okay with that. She also carries her passport and a copy of her birth certificate. Why? Because if you go through the process of legal immigration you realize that they ALWAYS ask you for your papers. Passport, I-9, birth certificat, etc. Always. But being illegal I guess I would be upset now since before they knew the feds wouldn't do a thing and now the local guys will...
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    I'm sure you have some compelling data to support that claim. I'm very curious to see what it is.

    It's observation and common sense.
  7. #307  
    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    I'm sure you have some compelling data to support that claim. I'm very curious to see what it is.
    You do realize, don't you, that 99.9% of ALL illegals are just like you. People just trying to provide a life for their families and themselves. They are not trouble makers, but honest hard working people that are willing to come here and do the jobs, for minimal pay, that us Americans are too proud or are unwilling to do. All these t-baggers are complaining about everything, including jobs, but I don't see them out in the fields around here picking lettuce and fruit. I don't see them sending their kids out to do it either, for that matter, to learn what a hard days work is like. I keep hearing conservatives pining for the "old days." Well back then, people were not too proud to work in farms, or factories, and get their hands dirty.

    As for your "data," if you prevent companies from hiring them, you know, like the federal law dictates. They could not get jobs here and provide for their families. If they can't get work, why else would they come? There would be no reason for them to come here. If you kill the demand (jobs) you will stop the supply (illegals). Common sense...
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    #308  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    It's simple, prosecute the business owners that hire illegal immigrants. Fracking republicans whine like babies about illegal immigrants but just who owns the businesses hiring them? It's not ACORN, it's the same conservatives whining about it.
    I agree with you totally that we need to prosecute the business owners that hire illegals, but how did this become a republican thing? The alien invasion affects all of us. Are you saying that republicans are the only business owners that hire illegals? I'd love to see any shred of evidence that supports this spurious claim.

    Or am I misreading you?

    A point of interest - many of the "business owners" responsible for hiring illegals are small to mid size business owners. Mom and pop run outfits, literally. I don't have the numbers, but I've observed this directly. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the vast majority of employment is for these smaller enterprises; not "Big Business" like everyone likes to point at. I know there's some bigger ones, I'm just thinking that its actually harder for them to get away with hiring illegals, compared to the smaller outfits.... especially cash businesses.
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    If you illegally immigrate to the US, what is going to make me think your going to be a good citizen? You are going to continue to break our laws, continue to ask for hand outs, and be a problem for us.

    I personally stand behind Arizona's new law, it's something Bush should have done before he left office (and I HATE bush). If I had my way we would be out of the afgan war and the military would guard the border. We have our own problems, we don't need more people to support right now.

    Do you guys even realize how much illegal immigration costs' states each year? Look at California, it's a perfect example.

    I do love the protesters though, they had posted that Hispanics are 80% of all illegal immigrants in Arizona and they get ****ed when they think police will profile Hispanics. I even had Hispanic friends who hate Hispanic illegal immigrants.
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    #310  
    Before we talk about illegal immigration why don't we talk first about solutions on how to live peacefully with our in-laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrguser View Post
    If you illegally immigrate to the US, what is going to make me think your going to be a good citizen? You are going to continue to break our laws, continue to ask for hand outs, and be a problem for us.

    I personally stand behind Arizona's new law, it's something Bush should have done before he left office (and I HATE bush). If I had my way we would be out of the afgan war and the military would guard the border. We have our own problems, we don't need more people to support right now.
    Actually, Bush was for amunity for illegals and work permits.

    Do you guys even realize how much illegal immigration costs' states each year? Look at California, it's a perfect example.
    Well, here in CA, where I live, illegals can not get any free government "hand-outs." Our welfare, schools, etc.. are for citizens only. CA is bankrupt because we have had a few dumb governors, Schwarzenegger included. We also have so much spending in our government here, it is ridiculous. Every time we need to make cuts, they lay off teacher and firefighters while the politicians and their staff all have state owned cars, some of them even have Escalades, and state paid gas cards. And for them to keep all of the perks, our state ans sales taxes have jumped through the roof. Illegals count for maybe 1% of our money troubles here.

    I do love the protesters though, they had posted that Hispanics are 80% of all illegal immigrants in Arizona and they get ****ed when they think police will profile Hispanics. I even had Hispanic friends who hate Hispanic illegal immigrants.
    Yes, most illegals are Latino, but not all Latinos are illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    Before we talk about illegal immigration why don't we talk first about solutions on how to live peacefully with our in-laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Quoting your favorite politician, they require only two words:

    Predator drones.
    His favorite politician is Janet Napolitano?


    SEND IN THE DRONES: PREDATORS TO FLY ABOVE TEX-MEX BORDER
    Tue Apr 27 2010 19:39:41 ET

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a Senate hearing Tuesday that unmanned aerial drones will soon fly through Texas skies!

    "Big Sis" declared that over the past 15 months, federal law enforcement initiatives have made the border more secure than in any other time in history, the SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS reports in Wednesday editions.

    The new "predator bees" have the capability to fly at altitudes used by commercial aircraft, and are designed to enhance intelligence capabilities of federal, state and local law enforcement.

    But a recent analysis of the use of unmanned aerial vehicles found that they were twice as likely to crash as manned aircraft, according to the Congressional Research Service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by predator70 View Post
    I have read on the European invasion. the colonies where the Indians lived were invaded by the European. The majority of the Indians were exterminated
    and others were locked up in reservations. (Jailed in their own country)

    I know that there are countries that invade other countries, steal their resources and then say that they are there to "protect the invaded county freedom" (deja-vu somebody)

    I also know about people that work for less than 5 dollars a day, under the worst conditions (job, weather etc) just to give their family something to eat while we buy PlayStation (yes a made in china item by the way) to our misguided children just to keep them busy and far from us.

    That poor people work for the big USA enterprises, the ones making big money and probably their sons (the sons of the big entrepreneurs) are the first in line protesting against immigration.

    I see a lot of hypocrisy here.

    A big percent of the American soldiers are immigrant decedent or even from other countries that come here, fight for this country and then wait for the breadcrumbs this country offer them. The worst is that a big percent if the “Born in the USA and proud of it” citizens not even make their parents
    proud of them, never served in the military and some times they no even go to college.
    Questions: Should we have borders and should we regulate who and how many cross them? Right now there are tens of thousands of immigrants patiently waiting to enter America legally (according to the laws currently in place). How do you address the issue of illegal immigration concurrent with the patience and diligence of legal immigrants? What would you do, dissolve our borders? If not, how would you deal with those sneaking into our country? What would you say to those who are following due process?

    I don't have any of these answers, wanted to know if you did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshaccount View Post
    Questions: Should we have borders and should we regulate who and how many cross them? Right now there are tens of thousands of immigrants patiently waiting to enter America legally (according to the laws currently in place). How do you address the issue of illegal immigration concurrent with the patience and diligence of legal immigrants? What would you do, dissolve our borders? If not, how would you deal with those sneaking into our country? What would you say to those who are following due process?

    I don't have any of these answers, wanted to know if you did.
    We should definitely have a border between USA & El Mehico, yes. The Fed Gov should regulate the functionality of the wall itself. The people of the states need to regulate the people within their states.

    If the people of a state so choose to specifically focus on people with a certain "accent" (aka: can't speak a lick of English), I don't have a terribly huge problem with that. But they need to SAY SO in the bill, because that's what the real issue comes down to.

    Some people might think that such a stance is hypocritical for me, but it's not. I'm saying this from the point of a Libertarian-Socialist who is imagining cops actually only doing something if it helps someone, as opposed to helping a corporation. So my image of a cop asking for "papers" only comes (a) after an actual crime with an actual victim, regardless of if the illegal alien was the criminal, victim, or witness, or (b) in a checkout line or perhaps at the beach, if the cop just asks sociable questions, like... "WOW. That's a stand-up jet ski. Can I ride? hehe..."

    So basically... when I say it's appropriate for a cop to ask a question to someone to gauge if they have any concept of the English language whatsoever... I don't mean that it's acceptable to use this as a tool for thousands of men, women, & children EVERY day as an entrapment technique. I strictly mean that when a cop, as a social being, man, has a personal question for or statement to another man... but the 'nother man can't even offer a facial nod or something in return... then I think the cop should be able to ask for papers at that point.

    I mean... if a cop looks at a guy who just dropped his wallet on the ground... and TELLS HIM that his wallet is on the ground... yet the man does not react to the words of the officer, only staring blankly at the cop... I think the cop should be able to move in for papers.

    At the very least... Mexicans will learn English phrases and basic questions & answers A LOT quicker. Heck, even learning the phrase "I plead the Fifth" could help them out more than they expect. All they'd need to do is say, "My name is Antonio. You killed my father. I plead the Fifth".... and then shut up. If they can't manage to spit out something like that... then they need to go somewhere where they can be understood and people can understand them. Come back when you have a phrasebook in hand that you've actually studied.

    But still... getting 'em at the employer level (no matter how small or medium sized they might be) is the real solution to make sure that cops don't fall into their typically expected games of ignoring the rights of men, in favor of turning a profit for their criminal agency. Eventually, the cops *will* abuse this power given to them [as they always do]... which is why it must be stated that instances like this must be limited to (a) a victimized crime, or (b) a sociable run-in that was IN NO WAY forced, trapped, entrapped, or whatever you wanna call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm View Post
    We should definitely have a border between USA & El Mehico, yes. The Fed Gov should regulate the functionality of the wall itself. The people of the states need to regulate the people within their states.
    Agreed, and if the government ignores the wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm View Post
    "My name is Antonio. You killed my father. I plead the Fifth"....
    Is this a reference to the princess bride?

    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm View Post
    But still... getting 'em at the employer level (no matter how small or medium sized they might be) is the real solution.
    Agreed, yet now enter money and politics, and watch the whole operation grind to a halt.

    Like I said, I don't have the answers, or better yet, I might have an answer similar to yours but have no clue how to implement. As long as humans are involved, there will be immigrants who attempt to cheat the system and authorities who abuse their power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.R.R.V. View Post
    a counrty founded by immagration, obtained by the willing killing and stealing of those who were natively here, built apon the sweat, blood, and tears of those races deemed to be of little quality to the great white power is now crying of illegal aliens?? Am I the only one that sees this as a bit hypocritical? Surely there are others who understand the onesided damage this will do, illegal immigrants are not draining this countries financial
    resources, the lobbyist and polititions that benefited from the bribe money they accepted to make themselves richer are to blame......you people that are to blind or to stupid to see otherwise and choose to live with a bigots blindfold deserve any and all misfortune that comes your way....
    +1
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    Originally Posted by I.R.R.V. View Post
    a counrty founded by immagration, obtained by the willing killing and stealing of those who were natively here, built apon the sweat, blood, and tears of those races deemed to be of little quality to the great white power is now crying of illegal aliens?? Am I the only one that sees this as a bit hypocritical? Surely there are others who understand the onesided damage this will do, illegal immigrants are not draining this countries financial
    resources, the lobbyist and polititions that benefited from the bribe money they accepted to make themselves richer are to blame......you people that are to blind or to stupid to see otherwise and choose to live with a bigots blindfold deserve any and all misfortune that comes your way....
    this is realy good except the misfortune comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    Before we talk about illegal immigration why don't we talk first about solutions on how to live peacefully with our in-laws.
    Sorry you cant, trust me i have tried, inlaws are evil... they are conspiring to make me over into their image. its a plot i tell you a plot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    You do realize, don't you, that 99.9% of ALL illegals are just like you. People just trying to provide a life for their families and themselves. They are not trouble makers, but honest hard working people that are willing to come here and do the jobs, for minimal pay, that us Americans are too proud or are unwilling to do. All these t-baggers are complaining about everything, including jobs, but I don't see them out in the fields around here picking lettuce and fruit. I don't see them sending their kids out to do it either, for that matter, to learn what a hard days work is like. I keep hearing conservatives pining for the "old days." Well back then, people were not too proud to work in farms, or factories, and get their hands dirty.

    As for your "data," if you prevent companies from hiring them, you know, like the federal law dictates. They could not get jobs here and provide for their families. If they can't get work, why else would they come? There would be no reason for them to come here. If you kill the demand (jobs) you will stop the supply (illegals). Common sense...

    Then do it the legal way. Come to this country, get a Green Card apply for citizenship. IS THAT TOO HARD??

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