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    Quote Originally Posted by baby-huey View Post
    This does not apply only to when you are driving your car but can be used in any situations such as walking down the street, or hanging out at you favorite corner. How many U.S citizens have documentation that proves that they are one, passport, birth certificate, naturalization certificate, social security? My guess would be that at least 1/4 of U.S citizens do not have documentation proving their citizenship. Next thing we know is they will require micro chips embedded in your skin with all your information to save you from this immigrants that are committing the crimes and stealing the jobs.This is after all the state that wants to pass legislation for the President of the United States to prove that he is in fact born in Hawaii, the so called birthers.

    Freedom is one the mantras of current conservatives (Republicans from Arizona), as in free-trade but not the freedom to have an abortion or the right to have as many guns as you want but not the right to have dignity. They jump up and down when China does not play by the rules that they set when it curtails American investment in its economy.Free trade does not only mean the free movement of capital but also the free movement of labor, thus if you want to invest in other countries you should let other people work in your economy. Cannot have your cake and eat it too!
    Micro Chips are more likley than you think...

    Install microchips in illegal immigrants, GOP candidate says Iowa Independent


    I think we should catch em, we should document em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going, said Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician. I actually support microchipping them. I can microchip my dog so I can find it. Why cant I microchip an illegal?

    Thats not a popular thing to say, but its a lot cheaper than building a fence they can tunnel under, Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician and one of seven Republicans running in the 3rd District Congressional primary, said Monday.
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  2. #222  
    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    hmmm the reason your health care is skyrocketing is not because of the illegals,
    And you base that on what? There was a study released recently that showed about 73% of the growth in uninsured individuals in the US was due to illegal immigrants and in some hospitals account for over 1/2 of their uncovered costs. One of our local hospitals shutdown its maternity ward because of the number illegals skipping out on their bills.
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    #223  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    It's likely because a guy running for office in Iowa said something silly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    How will you know those Americans are hiring illegal immigrants if we can't check anyone's immigration status?
    Um, according to FEDERAL LAW, you have to show proof of citizenship to get a job here. If you cannot prove it to an employer, he will not send you to your home country or prison, he will just not hire you.
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  5. #225  
    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    It's likely because a guy running for office in Iowa said something silly?
    He's a conservative republican. You would expect something different? Have you heard any of them say anything that isn't? Death panels, pulling the plug on grandma, socialists....
  6. #226  
    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    I think those are reliable numbers. So, assuming everyone using a tax ID to file income taxes is illegal, that still leaves out over 90% of that population. Presumably, they are either using fraudulent documentation to pay income taxes or not paying them at all.
    Not only are they paying into taxes with their fraudulent documents, but they are also paying into social security and medicare, with no way of cashing out on either of those services.
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  7. #227  
    Quote Originally Posted by NickDG View Post
    My wife is sick and we were in and out of the ER for years, sometimes 3-4 times a week.

    Can you guess who filled the waiting room almost every time?

    I live in California.
    Assuming anyone who is not white is illegal, huh?
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    #228  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    Actually there is an alternative. Go after the companies that are hiring illegals. Supply will stop if you eliminate the demand...

    Gee why haven't those of us in AZ thought of that before................

    Oh wait we HAVE you ever hear of E-Verify. This is the way businesses can check the status of the worker. If this has been done then the business is not responsible for any outcome from Stolen ID's. Which is the problem when you hit the businesses. If as a owner of a business I hire an illegal that has fake documentation then how can I be held reposible for hiring him. I am not versed in fake documents enough to find a good one.

    So come up with a better idea. Don't act as though this is the wild west and we have no idea what we are doing around here. We have been fighting this battle longer than most of us have been alive and have tried all kinds of things to make the problem managable with no success. This is the next step in the function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    How do you know they're hiring illegals?
    If you hire a non-citizen, they have to provide you with a work visa and you have to file a "I-9" form. If a company has their work staff audited and they cannot provide this info, it is safe to assume that they are hiring illegals.

    http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
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    #230  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    If you hire a non-citizen, they have to provide you with a work visa and you have to file a "I-9" form. If a company has their work staff audited and they cannot provide this info, it is safe to assume that they are hiring illegals.
    Illegals are not getting jobs without ID's they steal them then get jobs. All the documents are there for the business to legally hire them and never know the difference.
    No one is concerned with the 200 people getting paid under the table. We are concerned with having the highest, by a large margin, id theft in the nation. You make a guess that most of that would be illegals getting jobs.
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    #231  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    He's a conservative republican. You would expect something different? Have you heard any of them say anything that isn't? Death panels, pulling the plug on grandma, socialists....
    Does that answer the question? No. Despite your over-generalization and consistent hyperbole, this man's suggestion is no more likely to occur than a monkey popping out of your rear.
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    #232  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    If you hire a non-citizen, they have to provide you with a work visa and you have to file a "I-9" form. If a company has their work staff audited and they cannot provide this info, it is safe to assume that they are hiring illegals.

    http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
    And what would prompt an audit?
  13. #233  
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlot View Post
    Gee why haven't those of us in AZ thought of that before................

    Oh wait we HAVE you ever hear of E-Verify. This is the way businesses can check the status of the worker. If this has been done then the business is not responsible for any outcome from Stolen ID's. Which is the problem when you hit the businesses. If as a owner of a business I hire an illegal that has fake documentation then how can I be held reposible for hiring him. I am not versed in fake documents enough to find a good one.

    So come up with a better idea. Don't act as though this is the wild west and we have no idea what we are doing around here. We have been fighting this battle longer than most of us have been alive and have tried all kinds of things to make the problem managable with no success. This is the next step in the function.
    I am familiar with E-Verify and it is obviously not being enforced. There are federal laws that prevent companies from hiring illegals and they are not being enforced. If companies were truly being reprimanded for hiring illegals, there would not be this problem in AZ now would you? Why are they crossing the borders? Because there are low paying jobs here waiting for them. You are trying to stop the supply but not the demand.
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    #234  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    I am familiar with E-Verify and it is obviously not being enforced. There are federal laws that prevent companies from hiring illegals and they are not being enforced. If companies were truly being reprimanded for hiring illegals, there would not be this problem in AZ now would you? Why are they crossing the borders? Because there are low paying jobs here waiting for them. You are trying to stop the supply but not the demand.
    The reason you can't enforce it is because acorrding to e-verify they are legal. They have stolen Id's. It is all so simple when you are not here in the thick of it. You sit up in your chair from Iowa or wher ever you are and say this is all you have to do. Bottom line is that you can not fine a company for unknowingly hiring illegals. You think the lawsuits might be bad from this law think how bad they would be if you start finning businesses for unknowingly hiring illegals.
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    @Micael you are right on, i been saying this all along, Enforce the laws that require businesses to hire legal aliens, or with work permits, and the illegals numbers will be significantly reduced. Nothing against anyone but this is so true, how many high end restaurants and businesses benefit from people here illegally from all over the world?
    Next time your at a fancy restaurant or at a golf course just go in the kitchen and ill bet you wont find chef Ramsay in there but instead you will find a equally or better qualified illegal who just prepared your 5 course meal.
  16. #236  
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlot View Post
    The reason you can't enforce it is because acorrding to e-verify they are legal. They have stolen Id's.
    Got any stats on this? Since you're in the thick of it and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    And what would prompt an audit?
    What prompts OSHA audits? What prompts EPA audits? What prompts the fire dept to come and inspect my shop/office to audit our fire extinguishers and evacuation maps?
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    #238  
    Quote Originally Posted by mcmaster48 View Post
    Got any stats on this? Since you're in the thick of it and all.

    Stats lie but if you want personal experience. My wife does HR for a construction company. In the last year she has has 1/3 of her new hires come up at a later time to be illegal but they passed the E-verify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    What prompts OSHA audits? What prompts EPA audits? What prompts the fire dept to come and inspect my shop/office to audit our fire extinguishers and evacuation maps?
    So you're saying they can only go in for a random or standard periodic audit then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlot View Post
    The reason you can't enforce it is because acorrding to e-verify they are legal. They have stolen Id's.
    You get an ID and you make a call to ICE and verify its legitimacy before you make the hire. Or, you know, you can just hire citizens, and not immigrants, legal or otherwise. It is not rocket science.

    It is all so simple when you are not here in the thick of it. You sit up in your chair from Iowa or wher ever you are and say this is all you have to do.
    Well, seeing as I am not from "Iowa" but I am in fact living in Southern California. I was born, raised and currently work in the south eastern side of Los Angeles county. I think I am more than aware of what the illegal immigrant situation is that is going on in the southwest...

    Bottom line is that you can not fine a company for unknowingly hiring illegals. You think the lawsuits might be bad from this law think how bad they would be if you start finning businesses for unknowingly hiring illegals.
    If I didn't know I was speeding, do I get out of the ticket?
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