Quote Originally Posted by NathanS View Post
If by "right wingers" you mean liberal left wing health economist at UC San Diego, that actually have the cahones to do a study and stand by the result rather than design for a certain outcome...
Whether you are talking about the IOM data, Kronick's data, or David Himmelstein's data from Harvard, all of these are based on theoretical cohorts. None of them measured mortality directly in a cohort of patients. As such they are not definitive either way. That's why that is hardly an argument for universal health care. There are many many more that are much more persuasive. Having said that, my anecdotal experience suggests that the mortality rate among the uninsured is higher than the insured, but there are confounding variables as Kronick pointed out. That doesn't mean there still isn't an association, and it doesn't mean there are no excess deaths from being uninsured; it just says we don't know at this point.