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  1. #81  
    Originally posted by K. Cannon
    Hm. Well, I'm confused.
    Texien is a generic term for outsider, i.e. non-cajun.
    Maybe you should explain this to me in another thread, so as to reduce the levity in this one.
    I think this one _needs_ levity to put it in perspective.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  2. #82  
    Well, no wonder the only references I found to it treated it as sort-of self-explanatory. Around here, we call those Yankees.

    (Please!! I'm just kidding--none of my friends up North should take that remark seriously!!)
  3. #83  
    Originally posted by K. Cannon
    As difficult to read as his posts may be, I am actually thinking about some issues that i previously never really considered. Also, he does have interesting turns of phrase and vocabulary (when he is not shouting)

    If he is bkbk, who used to post here, I remember that he also did have a sense of humor on other topics.
    He definitely has bkbk's posting style, and rather 'interesting' agenda. Quite possible it's just someone with a similar affliction, though.
    Plus, I can't quit with this thread until I find out what a Texien is and how it relates to me.
    Now you know.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  4. #84  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Now you know.
    Yep, now I do! Laissez les bon temps rouler!
  5. #85  
    Originally posted by Pathdoc
    During my training I cared for many people who where a danger to themselves or others and required involuntary commitment. All of them claimed that they were sane and didn't need the medication
    It has been my experience that most persons who claim they are "sane," are not and do not behave so.
    As opposed to the person who claims they are not insane, who usually is what they claim to be.
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  6. #86  
    I gotta agree with Yorick. I think people who say they're sane are either: 1) dangerously insane or 2) boring beyond belief.

    I like to think I'm mildly insane and can keep that insanity in check when I'm in the office and amid the human population. When I'm at home, though....

    A tidbit: I was doing my bobby knight/mad samba dancer/grand mal seizure impression to entertain my 8 month old while my beautiful wife got his food ready.

    I'm nuts. plain and simple. But I'm also pretty sure I won't be incarcerated anytime soon either.
  7.    #87  
    Originally posted by K. Cannon
    ertonbel:
    It appears to be your assertion that everyone else who was at the facility with you also should not have been there.
    [[Not literally "everyone" (they need a few "certified loonies" to cover up, and keep their criminal enterprise going), but way, way, too many. And if it's merely the SIMPLE TEST: IS THIS PERSON DANGEROUS? Then we are LITERALLY talking about just one person ... who continually CLAIMED he was "from the 'Hood," etc. BUT NEVER HARMED ANYONE, just a lot of "hate-speech." He belonged in a REAL PRISON, perhaps.]]

    If one of your points is that decisions were made about you by those who don't know you, can you really make that determination about those other people? Do you know the circumstances under which all 25 of them (your number) were admitted?
    [[This is obviously a logical thing to ask, and I was sure that someone (if not everyone) WOULD ask it (I USE CAPS B/C BOLD, ITAL, UL, ETC. take too much time & effort, unlike an ordinary word processor, for ex. I'm sorry if it offends anyone, but I'd have to say they're being a bit childish & self-indulgent to "command everyone to communicate the way they wished" ... not so far from kidnapping them and calling them "insane" if they're "poor communicators" [however un-dangerous], no?), so I was CAREFUL TO CHECK, BEFRIENDING virtually EVERY "PATIENT" from the day they came in. I would ask them "Why they say you're here?" and almost w/out exception they would lay down the details. Sometimes they would have to get to know me first over a few days, or since "we had plenty of time," WEEKS. I was careful to check if their stories made sense; if they repeated it consistently, etc. Sure, some of them were naive, even stupid (I've been careful on my posts not to use any genuine profanity you wouldn't see in a newspaper or hear on TV or in a movie, btw ... but, again, it seems the "speech-police" have a few recruits right here, if they need some) ... and almost literally all of them had SERIOUS ENGLISH-LANGUAGE PROBLEMS, so could hardly be expected to tell a coherent narrative, even if they were GENIUSES, forget about NORMAL PEOPLE. Sure, some had "stupid beliefs" ... one woman, for ex., KIDNAPPED W/HER HUSBAND, BTW, "believed in" those ***** "Tarot Card Readers / Spiritual Advisors" (AGAIN, *RELIGION* MARKING YOU AS A CRAZY), and even wasted a few thousand $$$ on one. But, this is just STUPID, not crazy ... and certainly not DANGEROUS (to herself, her husband - who knew all the details, and didn't care if she spent the money) ENOUGH TO TAKE AWAY THE LIBERTY OF TWO AMERICANS (they were here about 20 yrs., but still could hardly speak English); IT'S JUST NOT THE COUNTRY OUR FOREFATHERS INTENDED. HOW OBVIOUS IS THAT?]]

    Obviously, this has no real bearing on your case, but it would seem to strengthen your position that you didn't belong there if you also didn't insist that no one else did either.
    [[Well, "some bearing." Still, 24/7 video would TAKE ME OUT OF THE PICTURE, and "my perceptions, ideas, notions, beliefs, etc." (This is always how they try to "convict" you, btw ... even the LAWYER, ON YOUR SIDE; everything YOU think is "just YOUR belief" ... but if THEY state it, it is FACT, and NOT SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION, interpretation, etc. THEY are OBJECTIVE by definition, and lowly, little, garbage YOU are NOT. And MERELY MENTIONING 24/7 video, btw, "PROVES" YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL. Hmmm. Convenient, huh? B/c THEIR video is OBJECTIVE PROOF OF REALITY; YOURS is NOT.)]]

    Btw, NO ONE AT ELM. HOSP. HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR. In fact, it seems quite clear (though they'd never have the COURAGE TO SAY SO) that THEY "THINK" quite the opposite. Though, undoubtedly, MOST NORMAL PEOPLE think if you DON'T have a sense of humor YOU'RE NUTS.
    This doesn't "worry" the sickos running Elm. Hosp. (and perhaps plenty of other "mental health facilities" across the U.S.) ... b/c THEY can confine YOU w/their idiotic notions, but YOU can't do it to THEM.
    What is it they say when you don't have to worry about the CONSEQUENCES of your actions?
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    I agree. During my training I cared for many people who where a danger to themselves or others and required involuntary commitment.
    [[Geez, I'm ready to call for a remedial reading class here! NONE of us were a DANGER to ourselves OR anyone else. This would be CLEAR to a 5 year-old child in MINUTES, if not HOURS, if not DAYS; the LONGER it takes a "professional" to "decide" whether or not TO GRANT YOU YOUR FREEDOM AS A U.S. CITIZEN is indicative of the INCOMPETENCE of such "professional." If you need 60 DAYS OF SOMEONE'S LIFE, b/c you're so stupid you're "not sure" (which is why I went my lawyer's "Devil's Bargain" route ... I thought, surely these people are not THAT stupid and/or evil to see me day in & day out and STILL BE CONFUSED AND NOT "LET ME BE A FREE MAN AGAIN?"), the LENGTH OF TIME of your "confusion" (i.e. STEALING another U.S. Citizen's LIBERTY) is the LENGTH OF TIME YOU SHOULD SPEND IN JAIL. Of course, this would hardly make up for it. There IS no making up for it. And what of "real" lunatics? What if "some can fool you for a few days," then murder someone? Should you be jailed for not being able to detect that? WELL, ISN'T THIS JUST A WONDER? "BLAME THE VICTIM," B/C THOSE VICTIMIZING THEM "JUST CAN'T BE BLAMED." Sure you can call in a few dozen philosophers and spend a few years debating all of these FASCINATING DETAILS, BUT MEANWHILE, THE LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE ROUTINELY BEING DESTROYED. I never asked to be "introduced" ... or would "admitted" be the phrase? ... to this.]]

    All of them claimed that they were sane and didn't need the medication
    [[Not so w/many of them; some freely admitted DEPRESSION ... just not to the level where THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR FREEDOM TAKEN FROM THEM AND BE FORCE-FED "MEDICATION." Some thought *some* medication was doing them *some* good ... while OTHER (say 3 drugs of the 4 they were TOLD they MUST take daily [else a Court Order would be sought to force-inject them, which no one of course "wanted"]) drugs LITERALLY MADE THEM SICK, DAILY. But drugs were constantly "changed" [i.e., EXPERIMENTED with] to "see if" they "might" work, TURNING THE BODIES OF THESE HAPLESS VICTIMES INTO SEWERS. Clearly, sickos in the "medical profession" see drugs as "ok" ... many NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT. I've never taken any medications in my entire life, and I don't intend to start now on the "say-so" of some evil psychotic who is billing Medicare $2,000.00 per day to "warehouse me" w/out HAVING A CLUE as to my HEALTH, PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY, AS I WAS NEVER TESTED IN 50 DAYS. What are you missing?]]

    (for example the 300 lb gentleman who put two people in the hospital with broken bones because they were on "His sidewalk" and who then attacked another patient and a physician once in the unit) and they improved following medication (for example the 300 lb gentleman who was very pleasant and a wonderful artist when the voices stopped telling him to do things).
    [[This is another one they try on you: "Are you hearing VOICES ...? they'll say to you in a crowded room where EVERYONE W/NORMAL HEARING HEARS VOICES ALL AROUND THEM. The precise speech they're looking for is: "Are you hearing VOICES INSIDE YOUR HEAD, THAT NONE OF US HEAR?" The question itself, of course, is MASSIVELY INSULTING, obviously. But THEY CAN INSULT YOU IF THEY LIKE, AND INJECT YOU, TOO ... AND MAYBE EVEN KILL YOU "BY MISTAKE" W/"SOMEONE ELSE'S MEDICATION" ... oh, we're SORRY...! Nor do they take "No, I DON'T hear voices" for an answer. They'll ask you repeatedly, over weeks, AS IF THE ANSWER "MIGHT" CHANGE.]]

    The goal was not to "experiment" on them but to improve their lives. People who go into psychiatry in my experience are not out to make money but to help others.
    [[You sound like a very young, naive guy w/very limited experience. In NYC, we're not like that. We all get 100 channels and see stories like this on 20/20, etc. constantly. Do yourself a favor and GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND.]]

    Speaking of money, ertonbel seems to imply that one of the underlying goals of the hospital and the doctor was to hold on to people to make money off of them. As medicare/medicaid and most insurance companies pay hospitals and physicians less than it costs to take care of the patients, especially with regard to mental health care, I suspect no one was coming out ahead in caring for ertonbel or any of the other patients.
    [[See above. A suite at the Plaza likely costs less than $2k per night. AND IT'S A LOT MORE PLEASANT.]]

    Finally, ertonbel seems to argue that two doctors is insufficient and that three would somehow be better. Why not five or seven? Things have to be practical. The statute specifically required two independent physicians. This is a safe guard as is the court proceeding if requested by the patient. Are people mistakenly held? Yes. Is everyone held inappropriately held? I don't think so!
    [[An ODD NUMBER ENSURES A SWING VOTE!!! That's a MINIMUM goal. Five or seven would be BETTER AND BETTER, respectively. You want AS MANY AS POSSIBLE to fight against the lone-monopoly-God inclination of the many narcissistic psychotics who go into medicing to Play God ... THEN DENY IT. The lives of American Citizens are too important to do otherwise.]]


    TK:
    I'll try to re-send you the photos as soon as I can. I'm not home right now (unbelievably afraid to go there, since I was stalked there w/notices of same, by Adult Protective Services, again last week on 2 separate days; consequently, I've gotten another apt. in another state, where hopefully I won't be harassed by NYS "agencies" any longer ... though, what would it take to make a phone call across the state line?), so have no access to them. If I can never return there again (and must lose all of my possessions), that will just have to be the way it is. I have some digital devices w/me (and a copy of the tape), so I still might be able to do it (in the FUTURE ... after SAVING UP AGAIN to buy a whole new PC, etc.)

    Btw, I'm posting this data as a warning to my fellow Americans, whom I can see are largely as trusting and naive as I was a few months ago. It'd be NICE if I got postings back I thought were helpful, but didn't expect many (as, in NYC, I've had a hard time getting to the crucial data & "people who could help" myself), and I trust the results have been fairly obvious.
    Last edited by ertonbel; 07/02/2002 at 05:18 PM.
  8. #88  
    Originally posted by John Nowak


    Sure you do -- how about the facilities left over from the 1976 Olympics?

    I've been wondereing where those Expos fans were coming from.
  9. #89  
    Originally posted by K. Cannon

    Yep, now I do! Laissez les bon temps rouler!
    bonnes.. Temps is plural...so not bon but bonnes (or was it bons?)
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  10. #90  
    Originally posted by ertonbel
    I USE CAPS B/C BOLD, ITAL, UL, ETC. take too much time & effort, unlike an ordinary word processor, for ex. I'm sorry if it offends anyone, but I'd have to say they're being a bit childish & self-indulgent to "command everyone to communicate the way they wished" ... not so far from kidnapping them and calling them "insane"
    It is neither childish nor self indulgent. Every community has rules of conduct aka ettiquette, for the online community it is called 'nettiquette'.
    One of the 'rules' is not to SHOUT. The same kind of rules apply in the 'offline world'. SHOUTING is concidered inpolite and is not appreciated.

    Comparing people people who point you to that with kidnappers is beyond rude...

    Your attitude is considered as 'flame bait' which I will not tolerate.

    This thread does not seem to go anywhere, everybody has said their thing, make your own conclusions...
    End of story, thread closed...
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