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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    The problem is, is that you all assume that the 47% that is not paying their taxes is just the poor...
    That's because they are.

    The real problem, is that not everyone has the same definition of "the poor."

    I make a good living, I'm a conservative and vote republican more often than not. I don't believe in excessively progressive tax structures. I believe that all wellfare programs, with the exception of true disability, should have strict time limits, and require that people on said welfare work their butts off to get off of welfare.

    However, if you are a private citizen and you make so little money relative to the size of your family that you have zero tax liability, you are poor in my book, and I'm for giving the poor a hand up.


    More to the point, the links you posted have nothing to do with this conversation. This is a discussion about American citizens, not corporations. They are not counted in the 47%.

    I do agree that it is a travesty that companies like exxon can get away with such things, and would FULLY support any change to the tax code to prevent such criminal insanity, but that's a completely different topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeeDubb65 View Post
    That's because they are.

    The real problem, is that not everyone has the same definition of "the poor."

    I make a good living, I'm a conservative and vote republican more often than not. I don't believe in excessively progressive tax structures. I believe that all wellfare programs, with the exception of true disability, should have strict time limits, and require that people on said welfare work their butts off to get off of welfare.

    However, if you are a private citizen and you make so little money relative to the size of your family that you have zero tax liability, you are poor in my book, and I'm for giving the poor a hand up.


    More to the point, the links you posted have nothing to do with this conversation. This is a discussion about American citizens, not corporations. They are not counted in the 47%.

    I do agree that it is a travesty that companies like exxon can get away with such things, and would FULLY support any change to the tax code to prevent such criminal insanity, but that's a completely different topic.
    Well the problem as I see it, is that you and everyone else is worried that some are not paying their fair share. Those being the poor, single parents struggling to get by and the elderly living on fixed incomes. If the IRS would just receive the taxes that they should be from companies like Exxon and GE, and close the loopholes that they have been exploiting, those taxes would cover the poor, single parents and the elderly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    Well the problem as I see it, is that you and everyone else is worried that some are not paying their fair share. Those being the poor, single parents struggling to get by and the elderly living on fixed incomes. If the IRS would just receive the taxes that they should be from companies like Exxon and GE, and close the loopholes that they have been exploiting, those taxes would cover the poor, single parents and the elderly...

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    How is this not socialism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    How is this not socialism?
    It is not Socialism because these corps that are not paying their taxes are privately, not government owned. It is Fascism because these companies are not paying taxes, and yet, they have the biggest voice in our government today. Exxon, oil industry, pretty much sponsors the republicans while GE, sponsors the democrats. But hey, you just keep worrying about the poor, who are struggling to just make rent and feed their families, pay their "fair share." How much tax revenue would be generated if the poor paid what you think is fair as compared to all of the companies like Exxon and GE, who reported billions in profits, actually paid their taxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    It is not Socialism because these corps that are not paying their taxes are privately, not government owned. It is Fascism because these companies are not paying taxes, and yet, they have the biggest voice in our government today. Exxon, oil industry, pretty much sponsors the republicans while GE, sponsors the democrats. But hey, you just keep worrying about the poor, who are struggling to just make rent and feed their families, pay their "fair share."
    Jeez. Cry me a river. They aren't paying taxes, Ken, and already have tons of "free" programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Jeez. Cry me a river. They aren't paying taxes, Ken, and already have tons of "free" programs.
    How much tax revenue would be generated if the poor paid what you think is fair as compared to all of the companies like Exxon and GE, who reported billions in profits, actually paid their taxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    How much tax revenue would be generated if the poor paid what you think is fair as compared to all of the companies like Exxon and GE, who reported billions in profits, actually paid their taxes?
    I personally think we should do away with the current tax code, both federal and state, and switch to a flat tax of 10% for everyone who works and draws an income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I personally think we should do away with the current tax code, both federal and state, and switch to a flat tax of 10% for everyone who works and draws an income.
    What about social security and medicare? Are they part of your 10%? Do I also get to stop paying my property taxes, vehicle taxes and other assundry of taxes?

    What about corporations?

    The answer is not a simple 10% flat tax though it may seem so. Certainly a simpler system could be developed but you can't just throw out a quick 10% flat tax as there are a lot of things to consider.

    Lastly I agree that low wage earners should receive a reduction in the burden of taxes but not to 0% and never "extra" back and welfare programs should have time limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmcgee View Post
    What about social security and medicare? Are they part of your 10%? Do I also get to stop paying my property taxes, vehicle taxes and other assundry of taxes?

    What about corporations?

    The answer is not a simple 10% flat tax though it may seem so. Certainly a simpler system could be developed but you can't just throw out a quick 10% flat tax as there are a lot of things to consider.

    Lastly I agree that low wage earners should receive a reduction in the burden of taxes but not to 0% and never "extra" back and welfare programs should have time limits.
    Some good points. I said Federal and State taxes. Social services like medicare/caid would still be paid the same way. Social security is another issue and discussion, altogether.
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    perhaps put all the things your paying for right now in one column then add it allll up. you get a number, then take all your tax payers and put them in another column, then start taxing them until the first column is paid for. Include SS, health care, and so on. its just a list, much like we all do at home right now with our own household budgets. Then it would be simple, we have a 12 % tax rate, which everyone pays, this covers off all our expenses, then if say someone wants to throw a war, like ohhh Canada is developing WMDs, we need to invade, you can look at the bottom line, and judge how much its gonna cost you..

    by the way,,, it will cost you a lot, as you will have to figure out how your gonna pay for our universal health care and other social programs,
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    ....then if say someone wants to throw a war, like ohhh Canada is developing WMDs, we need to invade...
    Lol, that wouldn't be a war... more like a raid on a girl scout's camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flak1969 View Post
    EITC Home Page--It’s easier than ever to find out if you qualify for EITC


    The Earned Income Tax Credit or the EITC is a refundable federal income tax credit for low to moderate income working individuals and families. Congress originally approved the tax credit legislation in 1975 in part to offset the burden of social security taxes and to provide an incentive to work. When the EITC exceeds the amount of taxes owed, it results in a tax refund to those who claim and qualify for the credit.

    People are encouraged to file a tax return even if they did not have to pay taxes just to get the EITC. $$$$ free money that will not effect their food stamps or welfare payments.
    Here's a real example of a return I did for a young lady; single mother of 2; gross income - $19408; taxable income - 108; tax liability - 11; federal withholding - 0; Earned income credit - 4395; Making work pay credit - 400; additional child credit - 2000:

    Total tax "refund" - $6,795

    The file linked below is a pdf of a page of the real tax return.

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  13. #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Lol, that wouldn't be a war... more like a raid on a girl scout's camp.
    ummm war of 1812 nuff said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenanator View Post
    Well the problem as I see it, is that you and everyone else is worried that some are not paying their fair share.

    Well, the problem as I see it, is that you are debating with people, without actually reading their comments. I've said from the very beginning of this conversation that there is nothing wrong with 47% of filers not paying any taxes, and that for those who make little enough to pay nothing in taxes, any added financial liability would be a huge burden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    ummm war of 1812 nuff said
    Le Grand Derangement, nuff said.
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