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    I hated almost everything he stood for...religious extremism in the White House affecting policy, ignoring New Orleans, unnecessary wars...but W. did one thing that might actually make up for the bad things he did. He has saved millions of lives in Africa. A friend spent 6 months in Sierra Leone with MSF (Doctors Without Borders) and he told me things have changed so much since the US started providing HIV drugs under his leadership. Tonight's 60 Minutes had a great story about it. Hopefully we will continue to "intervene" in other countries in this manner, and not in ways we've chosen in the past.

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    Agreed
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    Many here would doubt it but I have sung the praises of W Bush on his administration's efforts on the AIDS front in Africa.
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    And let's not forget his first major public appearance after leaving office was in support of Haitian relief.
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    .... I .... I'm in shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Many here would doubt it but I have sung the praises of W Bush on his administration's efforts on the AIDS front in Africa.
    (waving hand up) I doubt it! It is amazing how a man labeled ****** by many on the left would be willing to help others. It's almost as if the guy was a nice guy and cared for people, weird, huh?
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    Ok...ok....I'l say something nice about Obama....even though I didn't want to be bothered by him while watching basketball, I will say the dude shot the rock well....really funky shot (something odd with the way he flicks his wrist)...but fairly accurate.
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    But I must add....the dude can not throw a pitch. However, if he had come out and thrown it right down the middle with some heat on it, I might question his priorities....he needs to stick to shooting the rock vs pitching though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    But I must add....the dude can not throw a pitch. However, if he had come out and thrown it right down the middle with some heat on it, I might question his priorities....he needs to stick to shooting the rock vs pitching though.
    I'm sure he was doing his best to avoid the horrifyingly embarrassing bounce.
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    haha wait so you are the saying the man that went to haiti and wiped his hand off on clintons back after he shook a haitians hand cares about other people? Or his wife when people had to live in the dome during the katrina had the nerve to say these people look happy? Wow well that's pretty sad that you would support people like that who care only because they have to for the publics eye and not because they truly care... Watch zeitgeist, read/watch the news that isn't fox,cnn..
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    Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. Africa was Bush's acorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. Africa was Bush's acorn.
    wow.... there is no limit, is there?
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    So k....King Obama will have a tough time finding even one acorn when some of his plans sink the country into so much debt we'll likely never recover.

    By the way you Obama freaks.....what exactly did King Obama say to Karzai the other day? Ever since Obama's surprise visit he seems to be a little irritated with the US. For a guy (Obama) who was going to be a "uniter, not a divider", he seems to be ticking everyone off.

    But hey....he can launch the rock!
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    The Good Things Bush Did For Us
    January 14, 2009
    By Jerry Coffee

    On Dec. 22 2008, the mother of all Bush-bashing political cartoons took up a full quarter of the oped page of the Honolulu Advertiser.

    Titled The Bush Legacy, it incorporated symbolically the fall of the Trade Towers, the Enron scandal, debt to China, Rovian Politics, Iraq Occupation, collapse of Wall Street, Abu Ghraib, Katrina, Environment for Sale, Guantanamo, Global Warming, Afghanistan-no exit, Osama bin Ladin, Mission Accomplished (which was true for the sailors aboard the aircraft carrier who had accomplished their mission and were on their way home), Patriot Act, Tax Cuts for the Rich, Cheney and Rummy as nefarious characters from the nether-world, and Deficit!

    Such continual pandering by the mainstream media to a like-minded constituency obscures the positives for which George Bush deserves to be remembered as well.

    Don’t get me wrong. I share much of the frustration with Bush’s inability to communicate (which could have neutralized much criticism), failure to veto bad spending and some very offthe-wall appointments.

    But consider the following, just for example:

    1) Under Bush’s leadership, America has increased development and humanitarian aid to Africa from $1.4 billion in 2001 to more than $4 billion per year now.

    He has doubled U.S. trade with Africa, and has launched the largest siege against AIDS and malaria there ever. Even though the challenge is never-ending, more than 800,000 Africans are currently receiving anti-AIDS medication thanks to George Bush’s priorities.

    2) Despite pressure from many quarters, Bush has kept Alaska’s ANWAR off limits for drilling.

    He has increased by millions efforts to clean America’s forests to reduce the threat of wildfires, and to restore those lost or damaged.

    He has further enhanced his environmental legacy by designating more than 190 million square miles of ocean as national preserves, including Hawaii’s Northwestern Islands.

    With few exceptions, America’s air, water and land are cleaner today than at any time since our industrial revolution.

    3) Although Bush’s record on healthcare is a mixed bag, he gets undeniable credit on at least two counts: prescription coverage for seniors, and community health care centers.

    Despite opposition from his own party, “he achieved the largest expansion in Medicare benefits in decades” as one health expert put it; especially significant “in the modern medical era in which drugs are the cornerstone of treatment.”

    Also, the President literally doubled funding for community health care centers, expanding or creating 1,300 centers across the nation, several of which - Kalihi-Palama,

    Waianae, Waikiki, Waimanalo - are right here in Hawaii, and represent the typical center serving otherwise under-served areas. Without such centers, expensive emergency room care would often be the only alternative.

    4) Contrary to popular wisdom, in 2001 George Bush was one of the first to warn Congress of the dangers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac run amok. Between him and John McCain, the warnings continued through 2006. Leading the pooh poohs were Democrats Sen. Chuck Shumer and U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, both leading recipients of Fannie and Freddie campaign contributions. (Click onYouTube: “Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial mess.”)

    5) On the day after 9-11, I wrote: “The only way we may be able to measure victory in a war against global terrorism are the lengths of time between major attacks on our homeland.”

    Although in some ways, pre-9-11 policies of both Clinton and Bush may have made us more vulnerable, Bush’s post-9-11 anti-terror policies - for better or worse - have kept us safe from another attack.

    Right after 9-11, who would have bet on that possibility?

    The Department of Homeland Security, the provisions of the Patriot Act, reforming the relationships between our intelligence agencies, the handling of captured enemy combatants at Guantanamo and - yes - the war in Iraq.

    Whether intended or not, the Iraq war - besides liberating Iraqis from a despot and planting the seeds of a democratic ally in the most dangerous part of the world - distracted Al Qaida from plotting more attacks on the U.S. It drew them into a losing commitment, showing their darkest side to the people of Iraq and the world.

    Their power and stature have been significantly diminished. Bin Laden is withering away in a dark Wiziristan cave, emitting an occasional feeble message to his wandering followers.

    Yes, there is much work to be done in Afghanistan, but with Gen. David Petreaus still in overall charge at Central Command, our imminent victory in Iraq will serve as a model for victory in Afghanistan.

    Oh, and for those who still think Bush “tricked” all the Western intelligence agencies and every Democrat in the Senate into buying into Saddam’s WMDs:

    If you’re right, who’s smarter, them or him?

    Thanks, Mr. Bush, for almost everything, but especially for the simple “cowboy” determination that has kept us and our homeland safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    1) Under Bush’s leadership, America has increased development and humanitarian aid to Africa from $1.4 billion in 2001 to more than $4 billion per year now.
    My following isn't meant to downplay any of the good Bush accomplished.
    I just try to put numbers in perspective.

    Taking into account the rise in costs for such aid, I'm sure the increase is still substantial.
    But it should be considered.

    If I sold a product in 2001, and today I sold it for four times as much, it doesn't mean I did so good as to quadruple the value of the product.

    I think of people who have classic cars as investments.
    A mustang for $3000 in 1969 is valued what today?
    Did it really increase in value?

    Still, like I said; the numbers from 1.4 billion to 4 billion are impressive.
    In fact these numbers may even have more significance if the cost of providing this aid has lowered by being more efficient - which may very well be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    My following isn't meant to downplay any of the good Bush accomplished.
    I just try to put numbers in perspective.

    Taking into account the rise in costs for such aid, I'm sure the increase is still substantial.
    But it should be considered.

    If I sold a product in 2001, and today I sold it for four times as much, it doesn't mean I did so good as to quadruple the value of the product.

    I think of people who have classic cars as investments.
    A mustang for $3000 in 1969 is valued what today?
    Did it really increase in value?

    Still, like I said; the numbers from 1.4 billion to 4 billion are impressive.
    In fact these numbers may even have more significance if the cost of providing this aid has lowered by being more efficient - which may very well be the case.
    Berd, please.... let the man have a tiny bit of credit amidst this sea of hate. He's been this administration's whipping boy at every turn, for crying out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Berd, please.... let the man have a tiny bit of credit amidst this sea of hate. He's been this administration's whipping boy at every turn, for crying out loud.
    Actually, as I go back and reread my post, I wonder what point I thought I was making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Berd, please.... let the man have a tiny bit of credit amidst this sea of hate. He's been this administration's whipping boy at every turn, for crying out loud.
    I give him credit for what he did. But to rave on and on about how safe he kept us, when he was warned about 9/11 in advance and did nothing, remains the ludicrous post-script to his presidency...especially since that's the main positive thing that is said about him. So if we don't have a massive terrorist attack during Obama's term, that will mean he kept us safe as well? Or will this be just because of Bush's invasion of Iraq?

    And holding up the drug benefit as being a good thing for the country? It would have been if the republicans had allowed the government to act like any private business and negotiate lower drug prices. But no, they had to protect the industry that supported them.

    Having said this, the last thing we need is another thread attacking Bush. Everyone's opinions are well-known. He did one stupendous thing as far as I'm concerned, that had to do with health care for Africa, and I am perfectly willing to say so. I wish he had done more of the same during his presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    My following isn't meant to downplay any of the good Bush accomplished.
    I just try to put numbers in perspective.

    Taking into account the rise in costs for such aid, I'm sure the increase is still substantial.
    But it should be considered.

    If I sold a product in 2001, and today I sold it for four times as much, it doesn't mean I did so good as to quadruple the value of the product.

    I think of people who have classic cars as investments.
    A mustang for $3000 in 1969 is valued what today?
    Did it really increase in value?

    Still, like I said; the numbers from 1.4 billion to 4 billion are impressive.
    In fact these numbers may even have more significance if the cost of providing this aid has lowered by being more efficient - which may very well be the case.
    FWIW, taking standard inflation into account, that 1.4billion would be 1.7billion. How much of the excess funding is actually going to help people and how much is being siphoned off into some African politicians' Swiss bank accounts is probably another topic.
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    ok well **** bush!!! Seriously I don't care what you guys seem to think he did right. Look up the north american union, then look up the amero.. After you do that tell me what you think of him then. The american public is stupid and blinded by false news. He is a person who is only out for himself and the better of his family, not me or you!! And what's 4 billion a year compared to the amount of money wasted on planes, bombs, boats, ammo, HUMAN LIVES..
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